Sejuani will take a pretty massive hit to early game tankiness upon the arrival of patch 7.21. Her base armor is dropping to 22 and the scaling is being reduced by 25%. Additionally, her base MR is being cut by 5 and scaling down by 40%. If you are playing a carry/assassin jungler, consider invading her after your first or second camp. After this, it shouldn't be hard at all to keep her behind.
Yaskamasandwich22 votesMight as well turn Sejuani into the "Better nerf Sejuani" meme instead. I know she's broken but it's mainly because of a rushed rework. Can probably say all of us mains hate her rework. /sigh.
LankPants20 votesHer rework was easily the worst hunk of garbage Riot's ever rolled out. What I'm hoping is that these changes gut her hard enough that people jump off the freelo train and we can start having legitimate conversations about straight up reversions without morons who are only playing her because she's busted coming in and saying "but I like the rework".
Mcprowlington3 votesThinking exactly the same thing. Hoping her play-rate will drop to minuscule levels once she stops being freelo because when it comes down to it, the kit is a mess and it isn't fun to play at all.
I Main Swain6 votesHer rework was easily the worst hunk of garbage Riot's ever rolled out. What I'm hoping is that these changes gut her hard enough that people jump off the freelo train and we can start having legitimate conversations about straight up reversions without morons who are only playing her because she's busted coming in and saying "but I like the rework".
exactly. im straight up praying that riot will revert the tank update. tank items were better, tank kits were better and more fun/interactive, they were just a better experience for anyone who wasnt just wanting to play a hard-ish to kill murder machine
Abibyama5 votesToo bad they won’t
Abibyama1 votesNothing beats Machine Gun Kog’Maw tho. Rengo and LB comes right after
Zac and Sej are probably top 5
LankPants4 votesI'd say Sej is as bad as Kog and worse than Rengar/LB.
The difference between Sej/Kog and Rengar/LB is that Rengar and LB did need reworks, they were cancerous champs. Reverting LB or Rengar wouldn't help them because they were also terrible before their rework. That's not true for Sej and Kog.
Zac is somewhat different, yes his rework was abysmal but it was on a far smaller scale than the others. For the most part he's still very similar. He should be reverted because doing so would be an easy fix, but he's not nearly as bad as the other four you mentioned.
Abibyama1 votesZac probably needs a revert on his ult and some power shift from his Q to W, cause his Q is such a fun ability and it would be sad to see it gone
I agree on rework but they needed more time and resources hence the reason why they stopped the class reworks (praise the lord) Xin and Azir is a good example of that although Azir is a bit overturned
Idk if sej is as bad as kog, the entire point of the rework was to not make her either OP or utterly useless. And they missed the mark by a country mile and a half so I’m not sure if a full revert will ever solve that issue, maybe because she’ll be the same freelo train, except she can freeze the entire enemy team and perma slowing melees is not that much better than stunning them imo
Reverted Kog right now is stupid :P
Maokai doesn’t need his old ult back, nope ADC don’t need more dmg reduction
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesWell tbh, jungle times before Tank Updates were nothing but Lee Sin every game. I respect everyone's opinions on Sejuani being more stronger than before instead of being a typical auto-Sunfire Cape/stun bot, but at least they've brought "some" diversity to the jungle picks.
Abibyama1 votesIt went from Lee/Kha Zix/Elise every game to Gragas/Sej/Rammus every game
Such diversity
At least 7.13 was the most diverse patch
Skins Project4 votesErm, Fun Fact: used to be "Sejuanied" before "Olafed"
Baron Von Bangin12 votesActually it was Eve'd before Olaf'd.
Skins Project1 votes.-.
50000000000000002 votesWas it ever Irelia'd?
Spank the Fox7 votesNo because Irelia was never nerfed that hard.
PB4UAME1 votesHow do you figure? Olaf got all of his skills gutted in the same patch, along with 3 of his core items getting nerfed, and several of his counters getting buffed, followed by an additional nerf the next patch, 2 more item nerfs, and several more buffs to his counters in patch 3.01 right at the start of season 3.
Sejuani got her nerfs after she was abused to hell and back again in the cinderhulk meta at the end of season 5, over two years later.
Skins Project2 votesSej was hard nerfed to get pushed out of meta for abusing cinderhulk in the cinderhulk meta, shortly after cinderhulk meta ended due to cinderhulk items getting hard nerfed, and sejuani got no compensation buffs, it's known as "Sejuanied" to be nerfed due to item abuse, but then the item gets nerfed without a revert/buff.
EmperorPengu6 votesMight as well turn Sejuani into the "Better nerf Sejuani" meme instead. I know she's broken but it's mainly because of a rushed rework. Can probably say all of us mains hate her rework. /sigh.
its not just you sej mains us zac mains hate the rework we got as well :(
MCNT0521 votesits not just you sej mains us zac mains hate the rework we got as well :(
I thought his rework was just an out-of-date april's fools prank that they forgot about
I am not too sure about other Old Urgod mains, but I miss my buddy :( Everyone Wow shotgun knees! And his ultimate executes, so cool! me You know he had a mini nuke...and chainsaw missiles that locked on...and had a gas mask instead of a mountain dew tube...and was cool not just a masochist... oh, and he countered Teemo
Skins Project1 votesYeeeeeet I MISS URGOT ;-;
Like omfg, you could 1v2-3 late by kiting well n stuff, I miss my boi... errr monster
1011001110007 votesI don't even play her because she feels so dinky to play.
I play fuckin Sion and Teemo. ._.
The Deckowner7 votesRito should just revert her, old Srj wasn't broken and didn't feel like bullshit, new Sej is just an abomination.
Abibyama2 votesRevert her and she’ll be just as cancerous, except she’ll stun the entire enemy team instead
Just sayin
Mcprowlington5 votes
"I won't be denied!"
Gets denied her fourth stack Gets denied her shatter proc when freezing from range Gets denied the ability to clear her own jungle
Yaskamasandwich1 votes
Gets denied her fourth stack Gets denied her shatter proc when freezing from range Gets denied the ability to clear her own jungle
Gets denied because enemy AD with brains bought a QSS rendering her comepletly useless.
I Main Swain3 votesi was thinking that when i read it. honestly, literally every time riot touches her they make her less fun for me to play. when i came back and saw the rework literally my one good note was that at least her early game isnt horrendously vulnerable now, but with these changes not only will her early game be terribly vulnerable but her late game will be MASSIVELY weaker
ZT Xperimentor3 votesMeanwhile nautilus has been struggling in the jungle for some time, and they buff echo who is played primarily middle lane.
Levu1 votesThis painfully looks exactly like the evelynn feedback
TwitchInMyPants1 votesAnd we're just going to ignore that passive getting buffed conveniently compensating for the scaling nerfs.
But yeah she should totally be killable early game, all tank junglers are supposed to suck in the early levels in duels. How are more early game centric bullies like Kayn, Elise or Lee supposed to work when they fall off like bricks, have less utility, but their damage also isn't enough to threaten a lv2 tank? And she still has a really easy time setting up stuns and creating lots of pressure, they're actually emphasizing what used to be her primary weakness pre-rework and is the standard weakness of most tanks.
Profirix1 votesThis is an important distinction: late game scaling on PASSIVE (which is not available all the time and in fact had a late game duration nerf) went up, but I think you overlook the importance of early game armor when clearing jungle. The only reason Sej was ok in the first place was because she did so much damage to jungle mobs to clear fast. They hit her damage along with her durability.
DragonShea1 votesPeople can finally piss where her buffs are, saying "X" was here thx for the buffs.
The Spicy Crit1 votes22 ? But that's more armor than an ADC. LOL. SILVER BALANCE TEAM.
