Plants are broken and stupid

Rozair·Nov 16, 2016·3 votes·674 views

Not to mention the snowball potential they have. If you control the plants you control map awareness in a way that can completely screw the enemy jungler. First vision plant wins the game

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ValexforNov 16, 20161 votes

Plants have added some complexity to the vision game and to jungler's lives. I like them, they can be both hard punishing AND hard rewarding, depending on how you can play around them, and I'm quite surprised to see how many people have problems with them, as a support main I find myself using them a lot for deepwarding, scouting, to escape from the enemy team and, while it did not happen directly to me yet, I have seen plants screwing over people with bad positioning/knowledge/awareness. They are great, far better than smite buffs which were mostly a binary decision, withplants you have to decide "do I break it to negate it, or do I try t preserve it for later when I can use it".

G0dotNov 16, 20161 votes

Explain me how it's hard rewarding using a spell to catch a champ but got "countered" by the bomb plant?

You can't , because it's unfair for the one who used the spell and you had nothing to do but right click the plant as the escaper.

ValexforNov 16, 20161 votes

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Explain me how it's hard rewarding using a spell to catch a champ but got "countered" by the bomb plant?

You can't , because it's unfair for the one who used the spell and you had nothing to do but right click the plant as the escaper.

You had to be in range of the plant to ativate it (which is you aa range) also he had to play around the plant being there too: he knew the plant was there just like you, it's not like you can't see them on the map. Also by how you talk, everything in the game has no counterplay, wht did the blast cone stop? A channel? did it fuck up your flash? Did it block your dash? why using those things near a blast cone, it's not the balst cone that has no counerplay, it's the one who wasted that resource that is dumb, you might say "but if it wasn't there I would've escaped" or maybe "it was the only escape route" that means the enemy closed you there, it's not that the blast cone didn't have counterplay, you miscalculated your options and resources. Like I said plants can be either used the moment you see them to negate them or leave them for later so that you can use them yourself and while in the first case it will need time to respawn, the game plays like always and everyone's happy, on the other hand in the second case you have to take into account that the blast cone/honeyfruit (I think it's called like that) is there and you have to take into account it's effects and how it can be used: as an escape, a disruption, healing, to slow the enemy, to close the gap between you and the enemy, and maybe even more. I call this "having more complexity and more options into a game" and "getting rewarded (or punished) for managing the resources around you in a good way (or a bad one)", just that. It's not like the enemy is the only one who can use them, learn what they do and how to use them and you can benefit from them too and it's not like either team has any advantage over them, they are totally neutral. But then again, it's my opinion, people can disagree like I don't agree with a lot of things people say, I won't force anyone to say that plants are cool, I will just say what I think and discuss if someone is open for a discussion, like I am doing now, because I personally like plants and think they are something the game really needed.

G0dotNov 16, 20161 votes

Played as talon trying to cut the road to toplane who was going from top tower to gromp/river bushes , saw me using the E , poped the bombplant so I was back where I came , 150 cd on this portion. Bullshit plant negated a potential kill. No skill , not even a story of counterplay because he was in front of the plant while I pressed E at the same time so he could blow it up and negated "the plays" with no reflexion , just "blow it blow it FUCKING BLOW IT" and voila , safe , who cares about positioning?

Oh , and if you want to negate them , That's ok , you just have to waste some xp/gold/potential ganking for a single plant that gives you nothing in exchange. 50/50 : it's either : "yep , I'm glad I have blown this plant because I got a kill" or "Welp , no one took this way for the last 2 minutes and plant is up again".

But that's just for myself , others people are complaining about scrying plant because "free vision , blue plant is ruining teemo's shrooms"...

ValexforNov 16, 20161 votes

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Played as talon trying to cut the road to toplane who was going from top tower to gromp/river bushes , saw me using the E , poped the bombplant so I was back where I came , 150 cd on this portion. Bullshit plant negated a potential kill. No skill , not even a story of counterplay because he was in front of the plant while I pressed E at the same time so he could blow it up and negated "the plays" with no reflexion , just "blow it blow it FUCKING BLOW IT" and voila , safe , who cares about positioning?

Oh , and if you want to negate them , That's ok , you just have to waste some xp/gold/potential ganking for a single plant that gives you nothing in exchange. 50/50 : it's either : "yep , I'm glad I have blown this plant because I got a kill" or "Welp , no one took this way for the last 2 minutes and plant is up again".

But that's just for myself , others people are complaining about scrying plant because "free vision , blue plant is ruining teemo's shrooms"...

What, no skill? Are you serious? Listen, you're just salty because you misplayed that, you knew the plant was there and you knew it would have prevented your kill, it's not a "lack of skill" or "lack of counterplay" it was just a misplay (and a good decision from your enemy). You are also saying that it takes skill to jump over a wall (especially with new talon) which is just not true. Would you call no counterplay you jumping on an alistar only to get headbutted away over the wall or get cc'ed for 3 seconds? No, alistar is a cc machine, if you jump on him you have to expect something along those lines unless he's got his cds up, next time pay more attention to the plants around you and instead of jumping right on top of the plant, jump out of it's reach since it's not really that big. Also the fact that he saw you there is enough to call it outplay, since he didn't do that by luck, he did that knowing what would happen.

For the scryier's bloom: it is probably a bit strong right now they should change the range a bit (make it wider but shorter, no need to make it reach wolf camp...) but there is no difference to what red trinket does, why would they complain about the plant but not the trinket... seriously, some people just complain for the sake of complaining... anyway this last part was a personal rant not directed at you.

G0dotNov 16, 20161 votes

Yeah sure I'm salty and you're right sure , free escape for all champs is totally skilled and always good decisions. Fuck assassins and punitions they could've make without thoses perfectly plants. Good day/night sir.

ValexforNov 17, 20161 votes

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Yeah sure I'm salty and you're right sure , free escape for all champs is totally skilled and always good decisions. Fuck assassins and punitions they could've make without thoses perfectly plants. Good day/night sir.

As I said: you had ways to go around the plant, you're being like those people that throw themselves 1 vs 5 bot while the whole team is top lane calling for them to group and then cry "why no one peeled for me, you guys suck" you just played that poorly man, you gotta accept that.