Ryze is an entry-level champion with the lowest winrate in entry-level games, but broken in proplay

PopcornBunni··2 votes·704 views

Contrary to the memes, I don't think he actually needs another rework, at least not a full one.

He shouldn't be in the state he is, however. And a part of solving his issues needs to be addressing both levels of play -- weakening his impact in organized play while increasing his solo performance.

If you weren't aware, Ryze has some nerfs on the PBE meant to address these to an extent:

-Ultimate cooldown raised drastically -E base damage up early, the same late, and damage to secondary targets halved.

The change to E increases his early dueling power while weakening his waveclear, one of the components which makes him so strong at higher levels.

Changes like these are what should be looked at. Now, I don't think just wholesale weakening his wave clear in exchange for some minor buffs early is an equivalent trade, but it's the right idea.

Looking for discussion on what changes could be made for him from the community here. I'll put my personal thoughts later in the thread but just wanted to open the discussion first and foremost.

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Quiet Dude2 votes

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PopcornBunni1 votes

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I think he needs a shirt, to be honest.

You could always play with his pIrate skin [slayer-jinx-wink]

Attticus Finch1 votes

You can't fix Ryze so that he's balanced in SoloQ and balanced in pro-play without either A) changing his kit or B) Changing the fundamental meta of pro-play

As long as Ryze is a hard scaling DPS mage with a near-global AOE ultimate he will always be an oppressive pick in high ELO/pro play regardless of his numbers.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Don’t forget that Ryze is one of those champs that scales with ping in addition to skill level, giving the average player ping is about 60-70, (mine however is usually 110, 300 afternoon and never went below 80) pro players play with 10-20 ping, making combo spamming or precise skill shot champs such as rice and ezreal perform better at maximum potential

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