Riot, thank you for reworking Morellonomicon

YumaS2Astral··23 votes·12,591 views

This is not irony. I am being serious.

New item 3165 is a wet dream for a bunch of champions.

For example, Vladimir. With old Morello, you would have the wasted mana - even though the other stats were amazing on Vladimir. Also, with old Morello only inflicting Grievous Wounds when under 35% health, purchasing it just for the GW wasn't worth at all. So Vladimir's closest viable option for a GW item was literally item 3076 which, as you know, is actually useless against certain sustain champions like Swain or opposing Vlad.

But with new Morello, he actually has a viable GW option to use against opposing sustain champions. People say that new Morello is a nerf to Vlad, because now APs have a consistent GW option to use against him. But it is also a buff for Vlad himself, because he can now actually combat sustain abusers, like enemy ADCs or Yasuo that stack lifesteal and would outheal Vlad because of this and because they can build item 3123. Also, Vladimir deals a bunch of AoE damage, allowing him to easily apply GW to multiple enemies.

As a enchanter support like Nami Lulu Janna new Morello is a wet dream too. Now they actually have a non-troll option to inflict GW on enemies. Yes, Morellonomicon isn't an ideal item for supports, and is expensive when you consider their low gold income. But, in situations where your allies refuse to buy GW items, you now, as an enchanter support, no longer have to resort to purchasing item 3123 which is useless for them in every way. You now have an item that actually gives useful stats (AP enhances shields and most of their other skills, and the health is good to have a little bit of extra tankyness) and this item doesn't need to be sold late game.

Against Soraka, most mages love the new Morello. Especially the AoE ones. The AoE ones (like Brand) can inflict GW to multiple enemies, significantly decreasing Soraka's healing no matter who she tries to heal, which is good, because she is otherwise a pain in the ass to deal with for a mage. It is bad for Soraka herself, though. She needs a rework because as long as she is just a healing bot, she will either be too powerful, or a liability for her team.

The only complaint I have about new item 3165 is: Why this change has not been made before?

32 Comments

warmcorntortilla16 votes

Oh, you forgot one of OTHER amazing parts of the rework: it's a specific item, thats build path makes sense for the item you're building (tankiness to apply more GW to champions that are healing over your team's damage) AND is no longer the default build path of every single freaking mage in the game. AND since it doesn't have CDR it means you're getting something generalist and good (AP and HP) and can make meaningful build path choices. I get giddy when I look at the AP items now, because there's so many choices!

Now if we just had AD Stabdrinker or something. But Morello's change is very, very, VERY welcome. The whole mage item rework was great.

Baval7 votes

im just glad that after so many years mages can actually apply GW.

Yeah weve always had it, but GW at ~30% hp just wasnt cutting it. Now we can actually do it for real.

Daddy Ants4 votes

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This is not irony. I am being serious.

New item 3165 is a wet dream for a bunch of champions.

As a enchanter support like Nami Lulu Janna new Morello is a wet dream too. Now they actually have a non-troll option to inflict GW on enemies. Yes, Morellonomicon isn't an ideal item for supports, and is expensive when you consider their low gold income. But, in situations where your allies refuse to buy GW items, you now, as an enchanter support, no longer have to resort to purchasing item 3123 which is useless for them in every way. You now have an item that actually gives useful stats (AP enhances shields and most of their other skills, and the health is good to have a little bit of extra tankyness) and this item doesn't need to be sold late game.

XD Low income.

Support income is at it's highest it's ever been.

I Love Thresh3 votes

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XD Low income.

Support income is at it's highest it's ever been.

It's still low income compared to every other role

MohawkBird1 votes

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I Love Thresh1 votes

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Factor in the ridiculously cheap cost of support items and they are either ahead or up to par with other roles.

The items are cheap because supports don't earn much.. Because they are low income..

YumaS2Astral4 votes

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XD Low income.

Support income is at it's highest it's ever been.

It is still lower than other roles

MohawkBird1 votes

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EddardStark842 votes

Well considering this in regards to supports using their income to buy this item and not the items you're referring to... your point is irrelevant.

MohawkBird1 votes

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EddardStark841 votes

But he didn't mention any of those items and his post specifically mentioned a non support item.

Metal Janna1 votes

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XD Low income.

Support income is at it's highest it's ever been.

It's high relative to what it was... but still not high enough to buy a 3000 gold item before 14 minutes or so. Botlane is practically over at that point. You'd be buying it for the teamfight phase, not the lane phase.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votes

Boards always b*tch about AP itemization... but riot did great with ap itemizations (after x nerf on item 3040 )

YumaS2Astral2 votes

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Boards always b*tch about AP itemization... but riot did great with ap itemizations (after x nerf on item 3040 )

I think there are a few mistakes they made with AP itemization

For example, item 3907 is garbage and I am yet to know a champion that can make good use of this. This item needs a rework.

item 3041 should not be buffed, it should be removed entirely because encouraging snowball is not good (not in this way). There is a reason why Sword of Occult was removed.

item 3030 is still inferior to the other two main mana + CDR item options. It isn't really a bad item, it is just that item 3285 and item 3040 are just better in every way.

item 3146 This item should have been touched in the AP item rework. This item has the same issue as Liandry before its update. Its identity conflicts between being an AP assassin item or an hybrid sustain item.

item 3116 should have less AP, but significantly more HP and a stronger slow. This item is for AP bruisers, not full burst mages.

They also need to introduce more options for AP bruisers.

Overall, in spite of those problems, the AP item rework was good.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

item 3907 i think it need some tweaks.... but can work great on Karthus Cassiopeia Ziggs and against them. Even without passive, it provide alot AP (120 since last buff).

item 3041 i disagree... this item is great. When u pick it, u make a bet on your snowball and your ability to conserve your lead. occult thing is ad... AD don't work like ap champ, i don't think you can compare both. And i wasn't playing at this time to be honest, can judge.

for rest, they need time.

They also need to introduce more options for AP bruisers.

AP bruiser ??? u mean ???

Blåbæret1 votes

Annie item 3907

NineTailedMystic1 votes

should have less AP, but significantly more HP and a stronger slow. This item is for AP bruisers, not full burst mages.

All Mages should have access to the item for when they need more survivability.

Resolution2 votes

Favourite mage item.

Azadethe2 votes

I just wish one of the base items offered GW like item 3123 does, since the whole item is kind of a gold ineffective full build. By the time you have a Morello, Healers have been online for 10 minutes, and if you rush it, you have no CDR.

Phys gets GW in 800g in exchange for a slot. Mages get in 3000g, and unfortunately on most champs, it's a restraining first item.

Morgana Zyra are about the only mages you might first item it on, because Vlad needs CDR, Heal bonus.

We really need an early option with the DrMundo rework too. He's so anti mage now that a Xerath cannot kill him with his ult when he runs away with less than 5% HP. DoT doesn't work vs him, because of Second Wind, and his Regen / damage reducing E makes him about the only champ that is almost completely immune to a damage type, especially if he gets a item 3194

I wish they'd just remove Second Wind..... but then Ornn would be a 35% win champ.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

yea i especially love how it only gives 80 AP and I'm getting maybe 200-300 when I would have 400ish at the same point in the game in the past.

Saezio1 votes

Another point is that it is less frustrating to play against since it is on a short period instead of the old 20 seconds (or 15 can't bother to check it now don't hate me on this)

Azadethe1 votes

It used to be 8 Seconds. Now it's 3.

Which doesn't help a team much vs a Brand or Zyra, or perhaps Morg.

8 Seconds just felt like 15 because that's a long time in game focus time.

Saezio1 votes

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It used to be 8 Seconds. Now it's 3.

Which doesn't help a team much vs a Brand or Zyra, or perhaps Morg.

8 Seconds just felt like 15 because that's a long time in game focus time.

maybe it felt like that because dots really synergized with it. I am actually stunned it was only 8 seconds.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

i also like this rework of morello. i miss will of ancients and a bunch of other items though. looking around the tree of items that builds from bead there's a huge empty gap where it used to be. most items that build from bead are worthless on non tank supports or tanks.

TKM Axe1 votes

its good. but i miss the old one. such a powerfull item for Veigar in early/mid game

YumaS2Astral2 votes

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its good. but i miss the old one. such a powerfull item for Veigar in early/mid game

Yes but Seraph's Embrace is much better late game (Especially if you combine it with Rod of Ages)

As for Luden's Echo, you could use it alongside Presence of Mind. You now essentially have old Morello, trading the GW for extra damage and waveclear.

Fertsa1 votes

I agree with most

i just miss the mana regen on-kill that was passed from 20% on(old) item 3174 to 20% on(old) item 3165 to 10% on that one precision rune that refunds a bit of ult cooldown, which is great and all unless i'm being a cheese and playing AP Kog spending 400 mana more than once a second

GrReaper961 votes

To be fair the near infinite mana wams quite unhealthy for the whole game.

Fertsa1 votes

i was wrong presence of mind gives 20% all ok here

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I don't know why they gave Vlad such a good item for flat pen.

Elkington VI1 votes

The idea of a sustain champion building to counter other sustain/non-support champions seems warped somehow. All trades eventually become an arms race to see who can shut down the other first with GW. Whoever gets it first will simply win all trades no matter what.

Imo GW should be reserved for champions without innate sustain or easy access to lifesteal. In general, a champion should have to make a sacrifice for building GW, but especially if they have sustain themselves.

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