So, about the Karma Changes on the PBE,,,

SilverSquid··7 votes·1,499 views

EDIT: Don't even bother reading this. This post complained about missing promised Karma changes. There now ARE some delayed Karma changes on the PBE, making the post hugely obsolete. For anyone wondering what the changes are, they are so minor they probably aren't even there. But just nerfing a 49% winrate champion further wouldn't have made sense anyways.

Karma

  • Inspire (E) shield value lowered to 70/100/130/160/190 from 80/110/140/170/200

EDIT: Everything below this point is outdated. And a bit unnecessary. Read at your own risk.




######...there aren't any? Why? Didn't you talk about them not even three weeks ago?

######Focusing a bit more on Pro Play in 6.14 and 6.15

######Finally we'll be prioritizing work on champs that are particular problems in pro play a bit more in the next couple of patches (6.15 is the patch for most, or possibly all, of the Worlds qualifiers). First up we've got changes to Rek'Sai (initial thought - slower tick rate on Tremor sense?) and Azir (less early damage, more of a marksman like damage curve over the course of the game?). There will probably be some more changes prioritized by pro play impact in 6.15 too (Viktor and Karma look likely, potentially others like Elise?).

######Viktor, Azir and Rek'Sai got adressed in 6.14. In both 6.13 and 6.14 we had major changes to support items and champions. Some called it a mini-support update. So I was surprised the most picked/banned support in mid summer LCS did not get adressed there. And also apparently not in the next patch 6.15.

######Should I be relieved or worried?

######* Relieved, because Karma, who only has a 49% winrate in non-competitive, does NOT get the nerfs some expected her to get? ######* Or worried because you seem to forget about her yet again? ######* Or do you think the changes to Lulu, Sona and Leona already do the trick (because they are competition or counters respectively). Or, with the Talisman buildpath being more attractive again, is her speedboost not needed anymore anyways?

######I am honestly curious.

Why did Karma get picked in the first place?

######She was not contested before the 6.6 changes, which HUGELY buffed her mantra shield (RE), so that must be the main reason. RE does not have any counterplay, is up every teamfight and does not require any significant skill to land. This makes it VERY reliable. Reliability is a huge deal in competitive games. So whereas the buff only upped her a few percentage points in normal play,making her rather balanced, her usefulness in a Talisman-free competitive play skyrocketed.

######As far as I've seen, those buffs were not asked for by the Karma community and highly puzzling. Some Karma fans were angry even, because it seemed to turn Karma into a skillless shieldbot, instead of the duality-duchess she once was supposed to be. It upped her power, instead of adressing her issues. It also increased a problem, namely the imbalance between the mantras; depending on your buildpath, choosing which skill to mantra is just too simple. RE for support, RW for tank and RQ for mage. RW is especially problematic, because its unreliable nature and tank scaling makes it too unattractive for her most frequent builds. And deciding between unreliable damage/slow (RQ) and reliable shield/speed (RE), is just a no-brainer if you are a support with no money/AP and the huge buff RE received.

######I expected Riot to adress this in one way or another. So I patiently waited for 6.15 to hit PBE. But... nothing? I'll ask again: #Are you happy with Karma's current state, Riot? ######Is she worthy of leaving that way, until the eventual Enchanter Update (not happening in the next year or two) or a possible Ionian Event (Bard knows when that might happen). And yes, Meddler stated that Karma would be "a prime candidate" in those cases.

######Your move, Riot

13 Comments

Vanjie4 votes

I don't know how they can justify working on Soraka, Lulu, Leona, and Sona but they cannot justify anything for working on Karma. Riot can only give the excuse that they will maybe work on her during a Ionian Event or the Enchanter Update. We have champions that are Enchanters yet they are being worked on.

So Riot, what excuse are you going to finally give us for not working on Karma? You seem to have no troubles working on Sona and Lulu, but Karma . . . . oh my.

SilverSquid1 votes

Because it's easy working on the fantasy of champions they understand their fantasy of? I have yet to see a Rioter showing a clear understanding for her character, however two notable and shocking failures (the one guy being rick, the other was the guy who loved Karma for her RQ-bot behaviour. Yuck). The only one I could agree with so far is Meddler, in WHAT was wrong about the Karma rework.

IxtaliKing3 votes

Her nerfs might come later, they don't usually put all their changes on pbe immediately. Also, they didn't confirm they were going to nerf Karma 100% they just said it's likely. Tbh I've got my fingers crossed for some power shift adjustments, I think any nerf at this point would hurt her a lot.

SilverSquid1 votes

They usually put up small scale adjustments (1-2 values) up immediately and after that the cucles usually feature tweaks to already implemented changes. Championchanges that get released later in a cycle are usually bigger changes (and the person working on her got delayed), which I can't see happen for Karma, as they would've known about such a thing 3 weeks ago.

But I would love to be wrong. I wouldn't care about all the downvotes on the boards, if I was. Weird feeling.

IxtaliKing1 votes

Feral pony said all that was going to be done to Karma was small nerfs if anything, in which case I'd be curious to see what happens to her win rate - since she's struggling to hit 50% even with that obscene RE buff. If they are going through with the nerf, it will probably go up tonight.

SilverSquid1 votes

Inspire (E) shield value lowered to 70/100/130/160/190 from 80/110/140/170/200

Yeah, well, that's kind of a joke. But at least they were honest. Adapting my post. I was wrong. But the bad kind of wrong.

IxtaliKing1 votes

I made a post about it but I doubt a Rioter will respond. Riot is so annoying :(

SilverSquid2 votes

In the meantime, let's celebrate Karma's first nerf since her creation :o)! Checking your post in 5...4....

IxtaliKing1 votes

Lool right her 1st nerf * pops a bottle* * xD

Abyssphere3 votes

There's been literally one patch in the cycle. You're seriously assuming she's not showing up after that?

SilverSquid1 votes

I am not assuming, I am worrying. Feel free to downvote me, if there are going to still be changes in 6.15, because then I would definetely deserve it. If she does get adressed, however, I would probably be too busy checking out the changes to care about being popular^^.

EDIT: I have to apologize. There now ARE changes, if you can call them that. Sorry for bothering you.

Inspire (E) shield value lowered to 70/100/130/160/190 from 80/110/140/170/200

Karbuncle1 votes

You own posts includes the 6.15 patch where they'l probably do the changes along with Elise,and if the changes were scrapped,it could be because of the other support buffs like you said,OR perhaps she's a candidate for Victorious,or Championship skins and those champs don't get nerfed till after the season.

SilverSquid1 votes

They put up changes to 10 champion immediately. Champion changes are usually the first on the PBE and only get tweaked in later PBE cycles. Not adressing a champion, because they want to make a skin seems stupid to me. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time game companies do something that seems stupid to me, but I wouldn't want to assume that.

EDIT: They added the Karma changes. So I do deserve that downvote, I guess. Anyways, here are the rather disappointing changes. But at least they aren't hard nerfs, that wouldn't have made sense.

Inspire (E) shield value lowered to 70/100/130/160/190 from 80/110/140/170/200

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