Why Karma Needs to Be Worked on

SilverSquid·1/22/2017, 9:56:31 AM·71 votes·7,288 views

Support Karma

Spams RE from the backline for some uncounterable and boring AoE shielding, but has barely anything else to contribute as a support.

Mage Karma

Spams RQ hadoukens, that deal 80% of her kit's damage in one shot, but has nothing else going for her.

Tank Karma

Has a HUGE selfheal with RW on like a 6s cooldown in some cases, but nothing else to contribute.



Instead of being a fulfilling champion with a coherent kit, Karma has become an obnoxious one-trick-pony in 3 different lanes, with way too much power in single spells, because the rest of her kit becomes useless based on your build. Riot's buffing-and-nerfing-spree won't change this.

Can we finally get someone to admit, that taking the "mega-root and super-shield" approach to her kit was the root of this evil? Or that making her mantra "must feel impactful" so we push as much power as possible in one single moment (3.5) and then "making her scale better" (5.10) by reducing mantra to a nearly nonexistant cooldown was NOT a way of "improving Karma"?

I am a Karma main and I ask for Karma to be adressed. Not for my sake, but mainly for the poor people who have to fight her ever since she got popular. Or please, try to explain to me how this was intended by Riot, makes sense for her design or can in any shape or form be considered healthy.

https://clips.twitch.tv/tonytwobits/PowerfulCoyoteTTours

Karma needs to become more of a battlemage/enchanter, instead of this unhealthy pseudo-mundo or machinegun-locket she is today.

136 Comments

Sambers1/22/2017, 12:42:03 PM27 votes

Da fuck was that tower dive, that was fucking disgusting, she took like 24 tower shots, jesus fucking christ, NERF THAT FUCKING SHIT or make tower do true damage after 3 shots so we don't have stupid shit like the one I saw...

Swarovsko1/22/2017, 5:05:28 PM21 votes

God can you guys even imagine how cool Karma would be with a good VGU... she's soooooooooooooo wasted rn.

6Sfool1/22/2017, 11:56:27 AM8 votes

That is the most ridiculous turret dive I've ever seen. Except for that one fountain dive done by that record setting team with olaf, but that was planned.

I'd say Karma's kit is fine piecemeal, but you are right in that she really only focuses 1 spell. They need to rework her ult & passive to make it less about what 1 spell she wants to empower, with the rest just being spammed.

Warden Karma1/23/2017, 8:54:03 AM6 votes

Looking at the Poll,

~75% think that Karma needs tweaks/ a full rework, with a slight majority for a full rework. ~25% think that Karma is fine/ only needs some buffs/nerfs

Clearly, the majority of Players who visited this Thread seems to favor that Karma should be worked on, whether that is because they are frustated by her current Design and/or desperated because of her current Identity state.

I find it interesting how people bump in and leave a vote for the poll but dont upvote for the actual Thread.

Looking back at your previous polls I see that the majority of Players agreed about that Karma should be pushed more in her original Direction (2 Mantras, Minion Shielding, Karmatic thematic (5.10 made Karma worse)).

Maybe with the increased attention now from (non) Karma players, the knocking at Riots door become loud enough for them to open.

At least for one of those "small Updates" they are planning to do more often this year.

Lexyy1/22/2017, 2:11:51 PM4 votes

So, as a Karma main you want your main to be nerfed for the sake of others?? Well arent you enlightened one.........

Fashion Mage1/22/2017, 2:56:16 PM3 votes

She still pokes as a support, and she still shields as a mage. So while I agree that her kit isn't perfect, those aren't really valid arguments, nor do I think she's a particularly annoying champion to face.

chipndip11/22/2017, 4:15:49 PM2 votes

Here's the thing: No

Supports have been pushed in this direction of being shields bots for a bit now. People are fine with it. I suggest you cozy up.

macromite1/22/2017, 5:35:52 PM2 votes

using R should be impactful. congrats for noticing that karma's R IS impactful.

sit kid1/22/2017, 1:42:17 PM1 votes

I think her kit is fine, but she needs some numbers addressed

Q is fine (maybe lower base damage a bit, and increase ap ratio?) W heal needs to scale better when building ap E is also somewhat fine

I think mage and support karma is fine, but that tank karma dive seriously needs to be fixed. make her w useful when building ap