Why is it that almost all true damage abilities are non-skillshot?

Cloud273·Jul 7, 2016·18 votes·1,881 views

With the exception of a few abilities (like Ahri's 'q' for instance) most abilities that deal true damage are point and click (Darius ult, Garen ult, Olaf reckless swing, Irelia's equilibrium strike, etc. If more of these abilities were actually skillshots, I wouldn't feel so bad about getting nuked by someone. I mean, if they hit you with a skillshot, you deserve to take damage. But with 90% of these abilities, all you have to do is walk up to someone and instant true damage.

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MarshbouyJul 7, 201620 votes

irelias true damage is on her autos and its her W not equilibrium strike.

darius ult, needs passive stacks, dont get passive stacks garen ult, % missing health and only when you are the villain. Dont fight him when really low. olaf reckless swing is like literally just an auto attack that hurts him. irelia has low (ish) true damage that is very sustained. It's fine.

RIOT added extra things to make it more balanced, sorta...

Zane ZephyrJul 7, 20161 votes

Garen only does true damage when you're the villain.

MarshbouyJul 7, 20162 votes

forgot.

DefendedJul 7, 20162 votes

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Garen only does true damage when you're the villain.

But it does a bonus of % missing health so technically isnt that true damage since it cant be reduced o_o

Kosm1KJul 8, 20168 votes

If you're not the villain, garens ult does magic damage

RalanrJul 8, 20162 votes

Which is really weird when building resistances.

Wolfram OxfordJul 8, 20161 votes

-30 hp...ouch

MarshbouyJul 8, 20161 votes

are you complaining about irelia or making fun of saying she does damage....?

Wolfram OxfordJul 8, 20161 votes

I was referring to Olaf being damaged by his E.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20161 votes

oh right. Later game it can do like 140-200 depending on how much AD he builds but it's still pretty much nothing.

TheOvermindJul 8, 20162 votes

And then there is Vayne and fiora who deal % max hp true damage which can't be itemized against, if anything it forces you to build squishier when facing them. Like of there is something to complain about true damage its that. Not darius ult and olafs e.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20161 votes

yep.

Cloud273Jul 8, 20161 votes

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irelias true damage is on her autos and its her W not equilibrium strike.

darius ult, needs passive stacks, dont get passive stacks garen ult, % missing health and only when you are the villain. Dont fight him when really low. olaf reckless swing is like literally just an auto attack that hurts him. irelia has low (ish) true damage that is very sustained. It's fine.

RIOT added extra things to make it more balanced, sorta...

Yea, I got her her hiten style (or whatever it's called) mixed up with equilibrium strike. But you get the point. It's point and click true damage.

MarshbouyJul 8, 20161 votes

so are vayne autos. It's a tiny amount of true damage. 50 max i think. If im an ADC, im much more worried about taking 200 from her autos then the extra 50 true.

Smitty ManjensenJul 7, 20167 votes

Don't spread lies, Garen ult can only be true damage on one target, who is the villain.

FauxfireJul 7, 20164 votes

Upvoted for not forgetting about Ahri [slayer-jinx-catface]

Slack KingJul 7, 20162 votes

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Upvoted for not forgetting about [slayer-jinx-catface]

To bad the majority of her damage is autolock

FauxfireJul 8, 20163 votes

I bet $100 in RP you are dead wrong.

AtanchanJul 8, 20161 votes

Buh? Most of her damage is auto-lock, at least when you're doing a full combo. Her W and R both just fire at nearby targets, with either indirect or absolutely no input on what you want to hit from either. Sure, that's only half her kit, but her E's more utility than damage.

Granted, I have no idea what the guy is getting at, but you don't have to give him pity money.

HellpyreJul 8, 20161 votes

Her E and her Q make up most of her damage overall, though.

AtanchanJul 8, 20161 votes

That still makes about 50% of her damage auto-lock when her ult is down, which goes up to an outright majority when it's up.

HellpyreJul 9, 20161 votes

No, I mean her W, which is the auto-lock one, is the least significant part of her damage as far as basic abilities, and her Q tends to make up the largest chunk of her damage overall, especially later on when opponents have MR and Ahri wants to save at least one dash for disengaging, rather than damage.

FauxfireJul 18, 20161 votes

All of her abilities combined does less damage than one Orb of Deception to the minions wave. That in itself is argument won.

AtanchanJul 18, 20161 votes

No, not really. Orb doesn't stop at the first target hit, whereas literally every other ability on her kit has a limit on how many targets it can hit ( one for her charm, three for everything else - though her Fox Fire loses out damage because its three targets can be the same one ). If you go by that logic, then Katarina's W is her most damaging ability because you can stack several minion waves and deal more damage than her ultimate in a single button press. Same goes for Fiora's W and Akali's E.

NineTailedMysticJul 8, 20161 votes

Q is 280 + 0.7 AP and E is 200 + .5 AP. 140 + .35 AP of it is True damage.

W and R, if hitting the same target with all of it is 224 + 0.64 AP and 450 + .9 AP respectively, but more than likely you'll only be hitting a target with 1 ult charge, so 150 + .3 AP

All of WR = 674 + 1.54 AP magic damage

W1R = 374 + .94 AP magic damage

EQ = 340 + 1.2 AP magic damage & 140 + .35 AP true damage = 480 + 1.55 AP mixed damage

If you can get all 3 ults off on one target without dying, they're either so far behind/you're so far ahead, it doesn't matter. And you're unlikely to get all 3 W fires on one target. So technically you're right, but it's unrealistic to hit the entirety of Ahri's kit on one person.

underscores222Jul 7, 20164 votes

Velkoz Twitch Vayne Fiora Hi

MasterYi Yi has it on an auto modifier as well

Corki Rip corkie, got his taken away

Kosm1KJul 8, 20163 votes

Velkoz is extremely skillshot based though, doesn't apply to this post

Kei143Jul 8, 20161 votes

his ult isn't that skill shot based.

Kosm1KJul 8, 20163 votes

his ult only deals true damage when he's procced his passive, and it is still a skillshot

EDIT: If you can miss it, it's a skillshot

nice tableJul 8, 20161 votes

you can miss a mumu ult or tibbers, doesn't make em skillshots though.

Kosm1KJul 8, 20161 votes

Oh my b, forgot about the aoe stuff like amu's thing and diana's pull, buut Annie's tibbers is a skillshot :P

nice tableJul 9, 20161 votes

nah its not, not even according to lolwiki which considers graves E as a skillshot.

Kosm1KJul 9, 20161 votes

then what is it? Lol you click an area and that's where it lands. Does this make Syndra and Cassie Q not a skillshot? I'm genuinely curious as to what they're actually classified as if not a skillshot

nice tableJul 9, 20161 votes

cassio Q and syndra Q have a cast time while tibbers doesnt, its just a spell not a skillshot.

underscores222Jul 8, 20161 votes

The post is titled, why is there almost no true damage on skillshots? And only lists half the champions with true damage.

Kosm1KJul 8, 20162 votes

I don't really expect the op to look up every single champ with true damage, honestly it just seems like he's just bringing up the subject in general. TBH I never really noticed before how almost all true damage abilities are point and click, it's kind of strange

Wolfram OxfordJul 8, 20162 votes

Velkoz is the ranged Katarina. All he has to do is spam is abilities in a general direction and ult you once you get hit by one. IMO he deserves to get his ratios destroyed.

Kosm1KJul 8, 20161 votes

his ratios are pretty crappy except on his q tho. His q has a .6 ap ratio. his w has a .15 ap ratio on initial cast and a .25 ratio on its second explosion, his e has a .3 ratio and his ult has a .125 ratio. Those are some of the worst ap ratios ever

ModJango MageJul 8, 20164 votes

Hi! Im a Vel'Koz main. All of his abilities are skillshots. Thank you.

ƒoesJul 8, 20162 votes

I wish you mentioned Vayne.

% Health True Damage? You literally can't build against that.

Serika ZeroJul 8, 20161 votes

AS reduction like item 3110 , item 3143

pure damage reduction item 3047

ƒoesJul 8, 20162 votes

Damage reduction doesn't come in many forms, and there is no small-scale item you can buy to make laning easier. You instead have to put some 2000+ gold into an item that takes up a slot that you could have put a different item in place of.

Serika ZeroJul 8, 20161 votes

I've listed all the 3 items that are effective vs her. Ofc there's skills like stuns, suppress, as slows, and summoners like exaust.

But personally I would just play MF into Vayne. Make her life a misery for the rest of the game. In laning phase she will be behind, always at low hp. While in team fights, if she even thinks of tumbling forward to attack my team mates, she eats a full channel ult from 800 range away :D that melts her in 2 seconds if she doesn't flash asap.

Then again, my only ADC is MF. So I might be biased :p

NineTailedMysticJul 8, 20162 votes

True Damage ignores DR. Hence why Alistar can still get chunked in his ult when hit by Vayne bolts or Ahri Q.

Serika ZeroJul 8, 20161 votes

no way..... i've been living a lie q.q tho, good thing that my counter to Vayne is "one shot her with Diana" or MF stuff if i'm adc :D

DænariusKhølerinJul 7, 20161 votes

There's a lot more true damage than you think that exists in the game. What I mean is percent current health damage. Now that is annoying, but at least it's usually small.

FauxfireJul 8, 20162 votes

This is complete nonsense.

DænariusKhølerinJul 8, 20161 votes

What I meant was that percent current health damage is a definite form of damage, also. You know exactly how much it's going to do, and you don't even have to factor in resistances or other things. But I know, I worded it as if I was drunk at the time.

FauxfireJul 8, 20161 votes

No it most certainly is not a definite form of damage because you do have to factor in resistances.

DænariusKhølerinJul 8, 20163 votes

Ah, you're right, my mistake. I didn't think of the word as in the situation . Like Poppy deals 7% of the target's max health as Physical damage. I should read descriptions more carefully.