Ekko's current kit will allow him to be a moronic and overloaded champion no matter what riot does short of gutting him to the ground number-wise.
Riot, you must recognize this. Fix this issue before worlds, it's bigger than vlad.
zlumpy13 votesThis should be on the list for moba champ design: Dmg+Mobility+Utility= Bad idea
Poske3 votesAhri has all of that xd
zlumpy1 votesThats why she took some pretty hefty nerfs as well over the years.
PiVoRx1 votesAnd shes still broken and top mid pick.
zlumpy1 votesDunno if I would call her broken. Her magic dmg is pretty limited area wise so she doesnt bring the heavy mage nuke many teams need for teamfights. Everything she has is a skill shot in some way. Even ult and fox fire since you can outrange her cast range making her ult just a dash.
She is good in 1v1 but once you throw in a second champ with a form of cc she can get popped pretty fast unless she uses her ult for purely defensive purposes. As long as you don't chase her in an easy to predict straight line should do fine against her.
NineTailedMystic14 votesAhri's damage is respectable, but her bases and ratios can't match quite a few mid laners for good reason. Her utility is also sub-par considering her E is the only utility she has.
Serika Zero2 votesAhri's utility: heal from passive movement speed from q taunt from E slow from E mobility from R Total 5, vs Ekko's 9. Even if you count each dash separately, she still will only get to 7.
Ekko is overloaded in both damage and utility.
dapositiveviking6 votes3 of those 5 utilities dont help the team directly, however. self heals and self movement buffs arent onthe same "utility" page as say janna's utilities
Serika Zero1 votesthey still count. Also made a list of Ekko's ultilitis. They are 9 (without counting %hp dmg). Meanwhile, Janna has 8..... and she's a dedicated support. Morgana has like 6 and she's a support mage. Leona has 7 and she's a support tank.
Ekko has more than tanks, adcs, supports, mages and other assassins.
CeexSett4 votesEkko has 3 slows, 1 stun and what more TEAM utility?
Self utility is worth less than team utility. Ekko has a heal, but Janna has a AOE heal per second. You can't compare both of those in the same terms.
Serika Zero1 votes3 slows, 1 stun, 1 speed buff, 1 heal, dashes on e(counted as one despite one being easy escape due to require no target and the other one beign a blink) and a reposition/teleport/additional dash
CeexSett5 votesSelf utillity isn't the saem as team utility. He has some of that as well, and that is the problem, but his heal/blink/dash don't count for the utility that Janna offers, which is pretty much all team wise.
dapositiveviking1 votesyeah but all of jannas (enemy slow, knock up, shield, knockback and aoe heal) benefit her team. you cant call something like morganas spell vamp utility bc it has no direct benefit for her team. just because its not damage doesnt make it a utility
Serika Zero1 voteshttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/utility
something useful generally, in video games is referred to everything that is not damage type
NineTailedMystic3 votesMost of that is selfish utility. Compared to other mid laners like Lux, Morgana, Viktor, or even Azir, her utility is very minimal.
Serika Zero1 votesin my eyes, utility is "something helpful". It doesn't matter if its helpful for you or your team mates. If its useful, it goes into utility, if its harmful... it goes into costs. Like Trynda's ultimate, is just pure utility. I didn't count the "power" of each utility as they would be hard to measure and they would each depend on the situation.
Ie: Ekko could land a 5 man stun which wins the team fight an the game. Ahri could dash around to avoid skill shots and do the last auto attack on the nexus. Trynda could just ult and spam auto attacks to kill the nexus from half to 0. Etc. Or: Ekko doesn't even land the slow from his W. Ahri uses her R to jump into a Morgana Q, Trynda presses R when there's nobody around (I kind of used to press R instead of 4 quite often ^^')
PiVoRx2 votesYou forgot one important thing about Ahri, SHES UNKILLABLE, they only champions that match her survivability level is LeBroken and Zed, and then she has aoe true damage, sustain, cdless CC..
NineTailedMystic1 votesShe's very vulnerable early game and whenever her ult is down post 6, but yes she is a safe champion. She has AoE true damage on a skillshot she has to hit twice, and sustain on her passive that she has to spend mana on minimum 3 spells to achieve that is rather minimal early game since it scales like 3/5/9/18 (+ .09 AP) and only heals a noticeable amount off of a full wave.
But "CD less CC"? Charm is a static 12 second CD that costs considerable mana before she gets her mana item. That means with 40% CDR Charm is a static 7.2 second CD that is usually maxed last meaning 1s of that is when the person is CC'd. That's 6.2 seconds to kill her until she maxes it which is only a 2s CC.
CeexSett1 votesAOE true damage? CDless CC? What about you stop spreading bullshit?
True damage is only on the Q return and Charm isn't CDless...
dapositiveviking1 votesyou mean the aoe q return. it still hits multiple targets so im gonna say he was correct on that no matter how much he's exaggerating the real impact
CeexSett3 votesI didn't say he was wrong, but calling that AOE true damage is a big hyperbole.
dapositiveviking1 votesi agree
Poske1 votesI agree that for an assassin her damage can be supbar
But her utility is insane atleast in high elo
2 sec stun which gets your target closer is really really good
If she had a mediocore stun she would be weaker version of le bl
NineTailedMystic1 votesShe isn't an assassin. She is a burst mage since her changes in 5.2. Her single utility skill is very good, only outclassed by displacements, but again, its one skill. It also isn't 2s until rank 5 and E is usually leveled last.
adidas10 votes100% agreed. Respect for tsm for winning and outplaying, but ekko is honestly a disgusting fucker to watch in this game. The fact that hes been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and still does this shit...
Serika Zero2 votesthey never gave him significant nerfs tho I mean, if his numbers are 2 small -> play him tank If his numbers are good -> play him assassin and 1 shot people with EQaa,
Only Play Darius5 votesHis base damage is going to be 5-50 and his ratios will be a collective 2000% at this rate
Vistha Kai5 votesI find it funny, that they had no qualms, about removing half of Karma and Azir's kits, hell, even Yasuo had quite a lot of stuff removed, but Ekko is completely unchanged in this aspect.
Dextix LT4 votesBetter nerf shen.....
Eedat2 votesLmao Gnar is even more pick or ban than Ekko by far in LCS
So you're saying he needs to be gutted too then?
LadyRenly8 votesLmao Gnar is even more pick or ban than Ekko by far in LCS
So you're saying he needs to be gutted too then?
gnar was designed to be a dumb piece of shit, ekko was designed to be an ap assassin
Deadly Mittens1 votesMega Gnar is cool, but possibly overbearing as a lategame initiation juggernaut in coordinated play, Mini Gnar is too good at kiting.
As someone who loved playing Gnar before becoming hooked on Vel'Koz, I think reducing hyper's speed buff would go a long way to making him less frustrating without gimping his lane phase.
TONY IS SO HOT4 votesto be honest Its mostly 
fault that Gnar is so annoying when you have no mobility spells on hand, its near impossible to catch up plus the damage he can dish when he goes mega Gnar getting all the rage from kiting and hitting makes the bar go even more up.
I'm glad they are nerfing w back to its original self before the buff, even oif the damage reduction is low its better than nothing.
Troll for Trump1 votesAnything that Gnar(or Kayle) do just outclasses Teemo. Teemo is a more "Balanced"(a little on the weak side, but still) ranged top champ. Gnar is just eww.
TONY IS SO HOT8 voteshttps://openclipart.org/image/800px/svg_to_png/222252/feels.png No one loves me
TNHA Baritone2 votesI do
Only Play Darius7 votesYes actually please gut Gnar.
XIII Vanitas4 votesGnar's problem comes from .
That item shouldn't exist.
Lady Hammerlock1 votesLmao Gnar is even more pick or ban than Ekko by far in LCS
So you're saying he needs to be gutted too then?
Actually Gnars ranged form could use some hurting,but he is only strong because of
Serika Zero2 votesOr you know, they could remove 2 of his "utility" things in his kit. Ekko has: speed from passive slow from passive slow from Q slow from W shield from W stun from W dash that doesn't require target from E, blink from E ( do note, I've put these both in the same place) more mobility on R Heal on R Total of 9 utility stuff in his kit in addition to his damage (and %hp damage, coz why not).
Now compare this with actual utility champions like Morgana spellvamp from passive root from Q shield vs magic damage from E anti cc shield from E Slow from R Stun from R Total of 6 utility things in an utility mage kit.
Even Janna. Movement speed to allies from passive Knock up on Q Slow on W Movement speed on W Shield on E Extra AD on E Knockback from R Heal from R 8 utility things on a pure utility champion.
Or Leona: extra magic damage from passive stun on Q MR and Armor buff on W Snare on E Gap closer on E Stun on R Slow on R 7 utility stuff on a tank support
Ekko's kit is just overloaded. Not just for an assassin, but for any class. Tanks, Mages even Supports have less utility than Ekko in their kits.
Great Ozymandius2 votesDon't forget the hidden hitbox on his q and the fact that he is resourceless (I see that he has a mana bar, but he spams spells all lane and never goes oom, so I figure that he is actually resourceless).
Sohleks1 votes
It's too late for worlds
TheOvermind1 votesId still take Ekko top in lcs over boring ass toxic constant harass Safe as fuck piece of shit gnar that becomes a perma stun machine lategame
BeMyFriendPlease1 votesWhat?
Shitloads of utility and defense and offense on a single champion AND heavy utility items synergize well?!
Wow. It's almost predictable.
Almost
Shifune1 votesThey can't nerfed Ekko because he will just ult back to before he was nerfed...
DrugsForRobots1 votesI don't understand why they don't make his slows have very low base values and scale with AP (not ability rank or level, as is currently the case.)
If you build him tanky, congrats you have three 20% slows. If you build him AP, you get 60% or greater slows, but have no durability. Balance?
aqours fanboy1 votesLiterally saw one Ekko at NALCS.
Matezoide1 votesLink for game replay pls
