Is Gragas in a good place or a TOO good place?

ModAcademy Kayn·May 21, 2015·2 votes·543 views

Been seeing a lot of Gragas's in ranked, and it seems like any game he isn't banned, he's picked. Is it just that people who are really good with Gragas do very well or what?

8 Comments

Nucleophilic atkMay 21, 20151 votes

He is pretty strong in my opinion. Him, Cho, and Sej are giving tanks/cinderhulk the "OMG RITO OP PLZ NERF" threads. Especially since he can do some good damage whilst building tank.

Troy242621May 21, 20151 votes

Cho has no mobility and just isn't overpowered. He really isn't. He has too much counterplay available to everyone to be overpowered in his current level of power. Sej is ridiculous, and I love Gragas, so I'm a bit biased on him and can't comment on it.

Nucleophilic atkMay 21, 20151 votes

I don't know. Personally, I think Cho is also really really really strong. A lot of that counter play you speak of is killed when he goes jungle. Yes, he is immobile and his Q is a skill shot, but there is a reason he has such a high ban rate. I started playing him and i just wreck shit in lane...and I suck at this game lol....

Troy242621May 22, 20151 votes

I've gone 16:0 as Riven jungle, doesn't make it good. People ban Bard all the time, and he's widely considered UP. Cho'Gath jungle's ganks are still pretty weak, lowering his pressure. Cho jungle's strength is objective control but that falls apart if the lanes start to lose. This is why I never pick him when the enemy jungler shows Lee Sin, Vi or some other gank-heavy jungler.

Cho cannot offset pressure like that and he can't even secure objectives if his team is down early in the game. Even post-6 his ganks aren't fabulous.

Nucleophilic atkMay 22, 20151 votes

If he is so bad, why he is such a high pick/ban rate lol? And you've "gone" 16/0 as riven jungle. I'm not talking about a single game here. Cho is really strong with the new ult changes. I don't think he needs nerfed, but he is pretty damn strong. There are a lot of junglers that can't gank as well early as Lee Sin can, hell probably none...just because they can't do that, though, doesn't mean they are not strong.

DedriusMay 21, 20151 votes

He is one of the strongest jungs right now.

Sej, Grag, Nunu, Rek are all very strong and borderline OP in my opinion.

FourVsFiveMay 21, 20151 votes

I see gragas do more dmg then any of the carries on either team going pure tank items, all though this probly due to his aoe/thornmail, but still dam...