Veigar's E is what J4's ult wants to be when it grows up.

1 800 GGTOOEZ·Oct 25, 2015·155 votes·6,696 views

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Heavenly YashaOct 25, 201556 votes

Ye. J4's R blocks team mates too, Veigar E does not. J4's R can be dashed, Veigar E can't. J4 has to be the center of the cage, Veigar not. J4's R has damage, okay... but Veigar's E has a 2,5 seconds stun and can hit several people. J4's R can be landed once in a fight, Veigar's E several times.

Even Thresh's R wants to be Veigar's E when it grows up

MohawkBirdOct 25, 20158 votes

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CrazedPorcupineOct 25, 20153 votes

so can ekko stun.

SquarefighterOct 25, 201510 votes

That's not really comparable for a lot of reasons.

ArakadiaOct 25, 20152 votes

Veigar's W has no delay, stuns longer, and doesn't require him to be within the area, thus risking his own life because hes in the frey of battle. And Ecko can't stack AP infintely.

EDIT: I know now it has a delay.

RatbertOct 25, 201516 votes

"no delay" it's like 2014 again.

Veigar's E doesn't also make a slowing field or shield him.

ArakadiaOct 25, 20151 votes

It doesn't have a 2, or 3 im not sure, delay. And Veigar's E, not W as i said above, doesn't need a slow. And whats the point of a sheild when your not even near the team fight. You Q and ult. Then W. Then you can just walk away as your W activates. Veigar has no need for the slow or sheild.

RatbertOct 25, 20153 votes

0.5 isn't 0, so it has a delay. In addition, it stuns longer at rank 5, which is usually gotten at level 18, or if you want a gimped w, 13. So for more than half the game, ekko's stuns more or equally compared to veigar's e.

What's the danger of being near the enemy if you have a hugeass shield to block damage as an "assassin" + blink that heals you + dash + blink on aa? 90% of the time ekko will stomp veigar by virtue of being able to dash to initially avoid it, then blink out or to ult to avoid veigar's ult.

ArakadiaOct 28, 20151 votes

Veigar can stun Ekko, make him run into the stun, then just ult. He dead den. His sheild isnt crazy and he takes most of the damage on the way in and after. Ekko's stuns for 2 seconds and Veigars i belive is 2.5.... And, again, Veigar doesn't need a sheild when he can stun you from affar, or basiccly make terrain, and mobility isnt needed on Veigar, unless your sucky with him. 0.5 seconds barely a delay btw, so dodging it is not the ez'iest thing, while Ekko's stun has 3 second delay and an animation for it.

RatbertOct 29, 20151 votes

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make him run into the stun

That sounds like ekko is more unskilled, and not that veigar is strong. Ekko has 3 additional tools to dodge things over immobile people. If you were arguing for say annie, maybe but not ekko.

Ekko can basically make 2 massive slow fields and a threat of an aoe nuke, so his zoning powers are just as good as veigar's.

FastAsHeckOct 26, 20151 votes

why is this guy downvoted? its true (except the no delay part)

ArakadiaOct 28, 20151 votes

Yeh idk lol. I don't play Veigar so i didnt know about the no delay.

A Miss FortuneOct 25, 20155 votes

Ekko has his own balance issues that aren't similar to Veigar.

Though Ekko can stun you, it usually requires him to wait a second or two and then dash into the middle of his shielded area. The stun also only works if they're in that shielded area.

RhytoOct 26, 20151 votes

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This is why I hate Veigar. Not because he can press R and one shot people. Not because he can infinitely stack AP. But because of his goddamn powerful stun. That stun is an ultimate in itself for crying out loud.

The funny part it is, it was nerfed and people still can't develop a quick reaction to its summoning.

Yuumi or LoseOct 25, 20155 votes

Actually, you cannot dash out of Veigar stun when the field is active. If you try, it will stop you in place as soon as you touch the perimeter.

Solis DeusOct 25, 201526 votes

he's saying J4's ult can be dashed...

DeluxADC 2Oct 26, 20151 votes

There is also actully ways of touching the stun and not get stunned

DeluxADC 2Oct 26, 20151 votes

Banshee veil being up. Fizz can use his e, he will touch the circle but not get stunned

Solis DeusOct 26, 20151 votes

Obviously, as he's untargetable...and it's not a dash.

DeluxADC 2Oct 28, 20151 votes

I just said get out and touch the thingy, I didn't say it was a dash

Wind WhistlerOct 27, 20152 votes

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Actually, you cannot dash out of Veigar stun when the field is active. If you try, it will stop you in place as soon as you touch the perimeter.

Why was this downvoted? It's true.

Yuumi or LoseOct 29, 20151 votes

I think I may have offended someones main but whatever. just numbers anyway.

DonaldTrumpIsG0DOct 25, 20152 votes

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Ye. J4's R blocks team mates too, Veigar E does not. J4's R can be dashed, Veigar E can't. J4 has to be the center of the cage, Veigar not. J4's R has damage, okay... but Veigar's E has a 2,5 seconds stun and can hit several people. J4's R can be landed once in a fight, Veigar's E several times.

Even Thresh's R wants to be Veigar's E when it grows up Veigar: His E normally can't be used multiple times in a fight.. His E doesn't do damage And are you implying that J4 should be able to drop a cataclysm wherever he pleases? I thought the cataclysm was caused by his jump.. so thats why he has to be in it. It's idiotic to compare a mage to a tank..

ArakadiaOct 25, 20152 votes

Hes not implying J4 should be able to drop a cataclysm where ever he wants. Its that ecko, thresh, and J4 all require the caster to enter the AoE. Ecko's W doesn't do damage either. J4 can block allies from escaping. Both Thresh's and J4's ult do damage yes, but its not like Veigar's E damage or Brands W's damage. Veigars W has more range then Thresh and J4's ults 2! So.... how is Veigar's W fair compared to these abilities which require so much more skill and positioning.

LeeDarkOct 25, 20153 votes

Skill and positioning? J4's ult is point and click, and Thresh just wants to throw his up anywhere between the opponent and his ADC. Veigar CANNOT reliably land Dark Matter AT ALL without first making sure his stun actually hits someone. For teamfights, it might be just as good to trap them in the middle, but paying attention means the opponent can still avoid it altogether because of the delay.

J4 does not have a delay, and does not have to aim. He just picks the target he wants and ults them. Ekko has mobility to dodge and a wide stun of his own. Thresh is only ulting to keep people away from his ADC. Veigar has to aim his stun, has no mobility to dodge away from YOU if you dodge his stun, and he loses a ton of damage if his stun only acts as a zoning tool. NONE of them are actually comparable to one another.

ArakadiaOct 28, 20151 votes

I know, making sure Veigar landed his stun is very hard. I do agree Dark Matter is rarely hit without his stun. The delay is very short though, making it reletively hard dodge. J4 shouldn't have a delay or it would never work. Not having to "aim" actually makes it harder. Veigars stun is not hard to 'aim" while Thresh's,J4's,and Ecko's abilities requires them to position themselves in order to land it, thus putting themselves in danger. Ekko's stun has 3 second delay, 3 times longer then Veigars, and requires him not only to aim like viegar's but also to get himself inside the circle.

Veigar's stun is like Zed's shadow. When your away from turret you just farm. You dont use your escape. Veigar can just stun you when you gank. His stun doesn't require skill AT ALL to hit and if you cant hit your Dark Matter without you stun ever, you need to practice Veigar.

LeeDarkOct 28, 20151 votes

No, Veigar's stun is NOT like Zed's Shadow. STOP COMPARING ABILITIES THAT CANNOT BE COMPARED. Also, congratulations on being the first moron I've ever seen to make the RIDICULOUS claim that a point and click spell is HARDER to use than a skillshot. That's just a special kind of stupid.

OyddAWqJ5rOct 26, 20155 votes

But Veig is unplayable since the E has a delay now.

Veigar "mains"

DemaciaClownOct 25, 201556 votes

Upon impact, he creates a circle of
-impassable- terrain for 3.5 seconds that grants sight around it.

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KONO RUBICK DAOct 25, 20153 votes

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they should make it impassable but replace the dash by a delayed circle arround him to give it counterplay, so he should E-Q and then ulti, if you dodge his E-Q you can outplay him

Photos of GhostsOct 25, 20153 votes

For a second I didn't understand and was like "so, what, all dashes make you remain in the circle but spin along the edge if you hit it?

SaiannaOct 25, 201518 votes

Veigar hate continues....

Uva9x6gDhCOct 25, 201518 votes

Except it does a ton of damage and Veigar's does 0?

The Mighty FleaOct 25, 20156 votes

What always follows a Veigar E bud.

LeeDarkOct 25, 20156 votes

As if other champions DON'T follow up CC with damage. Get lost.

The Mighty FleaOct 26, 20151 votes

Looks like you are wrong. As a gentlemen I would kindly ask you to leave this establishment.

LeeDarkOct 26, 20154 votes

Unpopular =/= wrong.

Morgana follows her bind (which also does damage) with Tormented Soil. Annie follows up her CC with EVERYTHING AND DEATH. But fine, like Veigar, let's JUST stick to those who have CC that doesn't do damage.

Ekko follows his stun with Q. Elise begins her entire combo with a webshot. Fiddlesticks follows Fear with Drain. Darius pulls you in, Cripples, then spins and ults. Karthus uses his slow to either get close with AoE turned on, or land multiple Q's on you.

Hell, even Rammus Taunts you INTO his Defensive Ball Curl for damage. So, no... looks like I'm not wrong.

lakeyja900Oct 26, 20152 votes

Chogath "You sir are a coward and a ruffian!"

Downvote me all you want I like making stupid jokes. I cri

darkmatchwaldoOct 25, 20151 votes

Veigar will just 100-0 while you're stunned, j4 isn't just gonna erase you when you get ulted. You can just flash/dash/blink out of it.

GorgiolioOct 25, 20153 votes

Full AD j4 can 100-0 people without a stun. He just has to land an E-Q

ArakadiaOct 25, 20152 votes

Most full AP/AD assasin/mage champion can one shot people. Brand,Veigar,Jarvan, Zed, Akali, Katarina, and Yasuo. That argument can be used for and against you.

LeeDarkOct 25, 20151 votes

No, it can only be used FOR him. Veigar's role is to one shot someone. That's what he does, but he has to build damage to do it. Thing is, there are a TON of champs who fulfill other roles that can ALSO assassinate if they build full damage. Full damage Veigar may one shot you, but so will full damage J4. Full tank Veigar does jack shit, while full tank J4 provides THREE forms of CC and a dps aura to his team.

ArakadiaOct 28, 20151 votes

Its not healthy for a champion to one shot you. You cant do anything back then. And you basiclly restated what i said above, about how any champion full build is really strong.

LeeDarkOct 28, 20151 votes

No, it is absolutely healthy for a late game burst mage to kill someone with ONE combo when that person doesn't build a damn thing to stop them. If you don't have QSS or Banshee's to stop from getting stunned, you deserve to die. If Veigar successfully kills you even with one of those items, he correctly read the cooldown and you got outplayed.

The part you got wrong was that the argument that anybody building full offense can one shot someone isn't an argument that can be used AGAINST FlackGacket. It only works FOR him.

VeraskaOct 25, 201511 votes

Do you think jarvans would be better as a whole if his ult fid no damage but stopped dashes? It'd probably lock him into a tank role and you would lose all the AD assassin esque j4s