Not to mention it slows, doesn't cap at 6 stacks, and costs less at every rank even if you don't get the reset. Kalista should be mana dependant like other ADCs. Remove the mana refund, it's just a slap in the face to champions like Draven, Twitch, Urgot who don't even have that wave clear to begin with.
OJ19149 votesNot to mention it slows, doesn't cap at 6 stacks, and costs less at every rank even if you don't get the reset. Kalista should be mana dependant like other ADCs. Remove the mana refund, it's just a slap in the face to champions like Draven, Twitch, Urgot who don't even have that wave clear to begin with.
Don't forget the part where twitch's stacks are his passive, while kalista gets both stacks and rend on a single ability
Talamare19 votesRemove the Reset too
It really doesn't need either
Vegas Dad16 votesNot to mention it slows, doesn't cap at 6 stacks, and costs less at every rank even if you don't get the reset. Kalista should be mana dependant like other ADCs. Remove the mana refund, it's just a slap in the face to champions like Draven, Twitch, Urgot who don't even have that wave clear to begin with.
UHM DUDE BALANCE, she needs to pay for her mobility duh!
bad arcade kitty14 voteskalista costs 6300 ip and twitch costs 3150
Irasiel97 voteskalista costs 6300 ip and twitch costs 3150
Ip cost isnt and shouldnt be a factor for who is stronger. That is such a dumb argument.
Omiwom23 votesIp cost isnt and shouldnt be a factor for who is stronger. That is such a dumb argument.
Pretty sure that was a joke
ALthaGreat9 votesYou lack of faith is sad.
DeusVult31 votes.
rtbf2112795186 votesOur lack of faith, is caused by the fact that most people who say something stupid like that, mean it.
i am Gluttony15 votesWe all know this game is IP2Win.
Transgressor4 votesI see what you did there. I love it.
Deep Terror Nami13 votesCost is on average simply based on release date (older champs had different release costs but it's all standardized now). That has nothing to do with their abilities.
Auz the Ripper5 votesUpon reflection, I think it's a joke about Riot's bias against old champion
DEN15 51221 votesDon't go all english teacher on me man
this is like
"She admired the blue curtains." English teacher: The blue curtains symbolize her internal sadness, and how she struggles to find beauty in a chaotic world. Author: The curtains were just blue, god dammit!!!
Adolf Ghostler13 votesUrgot ADC
Pick one.
Mecha MaIphite3 votesI don't think you understand the power of the Urgod.
3tyson11 votesWhy cant kalista go inviseble like twitch and why doesnt nidalees traps stun like caitlins
Because there different champuons
Troy24262141 votesPound for pound, Kalista is a far stronger champion and is conceptually broken. CT likes to throw on broken mechanics to a broken champion for sh*ts and giggles just to push it over the top and I'm tired of seeing it.
3tyson3 votesPound for pound, Kalista is a far stronger champion and is conceptually broken. CT likes to throw on broken mechanics to a broken champion for sh*ts and giggles just to push it over the top and I'm tired of seeing it.
Twitch has his invisibilty i belive he indeed might be up now
but where kalista is sort of imobile like kog maw (unless shes fighting) My point is we cant just go and add things from 1champ to a totaly different champ cause those have something better
like shaco with his permanent slow on aa and he can go invisible why cant reksai do that ?
Drakzul36 votesTwitch has his invisibilty i belive he indeed might be up now
but where kalista is sort of imobile like kog maw (unless shes fighting) My point is we cant just go and add things from 1champ to a totaly different champ cause those have something better
like shaco with his permanent slow on aa and he can go invisible why cant reksai do that ?
LOL Kalista immobile...... just don't.
LittleBlast4 votesRead the quote. Immobile, UNLESS she is fighting.
junglerboy1643 votesSo, immobile until it matters?
Slaaneshine9 votesShe still gets a dash when she throws he spear, which to me is just another dash that can be used at any time, even without a target.
JevelFaithful5 votesI think we'd all forgotten that. She was actually even worse then we remembered.
MidEvilKnight3k4 votesNot sure why he said that Kalista was immobile, but you are ignoring the main point of the post. You can't just compare a single ability of one champion to another. If you really want to compare Twitch and Kalista, you might want to include the fact that Twitch has way more damage.
LeeDark4 votesExcept you can compare those single mechanics. You look at Twitch and Kalista, and can clearly see that one is stronger than the other. Then, because you have logic, you realize that there is no reason for the overall stronger champion to have a vastly stronger version of THAT SINGLE MECHANIC.
Yes, Twitch has invis, Kalista has mobility, Twitch as a burst damage ult, Kalista has a CC ult... there are differences. It is those differences that make Kalista stronger overall. If you limited her stacks and took away the slow on Rend, and she becomes weaker overall, then maybe she deserves a bit of tweaking on how much stronger she gets to be in that mechanic.
MidEvilKnight3k15 votesThere is no reason to compare single mechanics. Champions have a certain power budget, and while most people agree that Kalista is over-tuned, that does not change anything. They wanted kalista to be a high mobility, good utility, and lower damage carry. They also decided to make her damage very back loaded. As opposed front loaded damage like graves, or consistent damage like Vayne.
When they look at what needs to be done with Kalista, first they need to decide if the mobility is just too much and needs nerfed, or if the damage needs nerfed to compensate for allowing the mobility. If they determine that her damage needs nerfed, then they need to decide if they want to take away from her sustained damage, or if they want to take away from the back loaded damage of rend.
If they decided to take the damage from rend, then there is less of an incentive to save the stacks and Kalista might start using the rend primarily for the slow and she would still have her sustained damage. So maybe instead they should leave rend very strong and just nerf her numbers. That way Kalista would still have to make the decision between the slow and damage at times.
Twitch has absolutely nothing to do with the process of deciding what to do with Kalista. Who cares if one champion has a similar mechanic on an ability. And who cares if one of the abilities is clearly way stronger. It does not even matter which champion is stronger overall. Why limit yourself to designing a champion because of another champion? As I already said, Twitch has way more damage overall, it's just that twitches damage is not focused on contaminate. Would buffing contaminate but nerfing Twitch's sustained damage (leaving Twitch not buffed or nerfed) change anything about the discussion of Kalista?
JevelFaithful2 votesyou might want to include the fact that Twitch has way more damage.
Not as true as you might think. Right now, most of Kalista's damage comes from E. But that's because build attack speed and Hurricane. Give some actual ad to Kalista, and you'll have a by-the-book ADC.
Then again, twitch has a dot versus a %hp proc. Twich has an aoe ultimate where Kalista has a team-utility and engage tool. Kalista has more utility (which is completely unrelated to her mobility) where Twitch has damage. Both have a on-hit steroid but twitch is probably the strongest there.
I htink Kalista and twitch have similar damage potential. Accept Kalista has another build that gives her a lot more mobility and equal/better damage.
Keevalroy8 votesEvery sensible player was tired of seeing it after Thresh was released.
Narasimha4 votesPound for pound, Kalista is a far stronger champion
Yeah... no. Have you seen her damage? Its on the LOW end. And have you seen Twich's? On one hand. Kalista has more utility and her crazy mobility. But in terms of damage output, Twich is going to beat her with his true damage, AD boost, and those piercing bolts.
Great Justice9 votesYeah... no. Have you seen her damage? Its on the LOW end. And have you seen Twich's? On one hand. Kalista has more utility and her crazy mobility. But in terms of damage output, Twich is going to beat her with his true damage, AD boost, and those piercing bolts.
Twitch's basic attacks apply a stack of Deadly Venom, dealing 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 true damage per second for 6 seconds. This effect can stack up to 6 times for a minimum of 6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 and maximum of 36 / 72 / 108 / 144 / 180 / 216 total true damage over the duration.
6 True damage on-hit? OH THE HUMANITY!
Anidan24 votesIn fairness, he also has a stealth mechanic that allows for extra attack speed, and piercing bolts for yet more damage as his ult.
Also in fairness, Kalista is still fucking broken and I hate her. Conceptually, story-wise, play-wise, design-wise, everything.
Auz the Ripper5 votesI'm still pissed off they kneecapped his passive last year
utDOOM3 votesYou didn't factor in the ad boost. Also his crits with the ad boost.
Dreamspitter1 votesPound for pound, Kalista is a far stronger champion and is conceptually broken. CT likes to throw on broken mechanics to a broken champion for sh*ts and giggles just to push it over the top and I'm tired of seeing it.
Thing is.....CT makes the most fun champs of any dev.
He honestly should of had a hand in all of them.
Now everyone has awesome abilities, and the game balances like DOTA. Folks always say every DOTA champ in a vacuum examined by itself 'sounds' broken compared to what you see in other games -but it all works out.
Ltank1296 votesThing is.....CT makes the most fun champs of any dev.
He honestly should of had a hand in all of them.
Just stop right there.
While he makes entertaining champions to play, he makes champions that are endlessly frustrating to play against. I never have fun playing against , watching my attacks dissolve into his windwall. I never have fun building Zhonyas to hope to have a chance against .
The problem with your concept that CT should have just designed every champion is
A. That is adjusting the many to accomodate the few. A few champs are powerful, so all champions should get buffed. Let's hand out passives like Candy.
B.While they may be fun to play as, they are extremely frustrating to play against. If every champion were as frustrating to play against as , or , the game would not be fun. While playing your champion would be fun, playing against the enemies champions would be frustrating. My joy tanks whenever I see CT's champs. That wouldn't change if I was playing one of them.
In Short - 90% of players wouldn't play league if CT made the entire roster.
Omiwom18 votesWhy cant kalista go inviseble like twitch and why doesnt nidalees traps stun like caitlins
Because there different champuons
Caitlyn and Twitch would kill to have the infinite hops those two do
Wheatloaf3 votesGive Kalista's passive to any champion with a higher attack range/damage output and it'd be 5x more broken than it already is. God forbid it makes it onto someone with an attack speed steroid.
Auz the Ripper11 votesGod forbid it stays in the game at all
Slaaneshine2 votesIt can stay, but Kalista needs some edging about and toning down (or just being changed in a different direction) for it to stay. The only argument that Twitch can make against Kalista is his ultimate piercing, but at max range people can dodge the auto attacks by moving sideways, and with so many dashes and blinks and jumps existing coughleblanccough Twitch just gets blown up as soon as he becomes a threat.
How about her passive leveling up, like so many other champions? At low levels it could have a cooldown. That already would add some sort of sanity.
Gank in Progress6 votesbecause you dont want all champions to have the same mechanics. and why are mad kids downvoting good comments? kalista is fuckin broken, but that doesnt mean you want to make twitch like her.
Straley15 votesOr you know, they could make it the other way around and cap her stacks like Twitch?
HorusEye5 votesFunny how OP thread gets upvotes, while this guy's thread gets downvoted for asking a similar question. Does everyone really:
It Hertz When IP5 votesWithout looking at the other thread (cause I'm lazy), I personally don't want to see Quinn's mechanics or numbers touched until AFTER her bugs are fixed.
Skia Asteri3 votesAs far as cool down goes, because Twitch's stacks are not consumed when his ability is activated.
Shaded Striker10 votes[{quoted}](name=Skia Asteri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=umyAT30g,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-03-23T23:21:16.011+0000)
As far as cool down goes, because Twitch's stacks are not consumed when his ability is activated.
He's complaining about the fact that Kalista's E reset if it kills, if it was the same with twiches E the fact that it does damage wouldn't really matter because the target would have to be killed anyway for the reset.
Personally that aspect is not what upsets me but rather the fact that Kalistas E scales so much better per stack then Twiches does despite being independent from her passive and having no upper limit,
Skia Asteri10 votes[{quoted}](name=Shaded Striker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=umyAT30g,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-03-23T23:58:03.600+0000)
It resets if it kills anyway so it doesn't really matter.
He can also have stacks on more than one target like Kalista. If it reset on killing any unit with the cast, then he would be able to cast twice without building up stacks again.
Shaded Striker3 votes[{quoted}](name=Skia Asteri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=umyAT30g,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-03-24T00:02:47.509+0000)
He can also have stacks on more than one target like Kalista. If it reset on killing any unit with the cast, then he would be able to cast twice without building up stacks again.
Yea, that's true.
