Just played against Vel'koz Xerath bot

Omiwom··72 votes·6,985 views

I can't remember the last time I had more fun. Dodging skillshots, exploiting their weak points. If I killed them I outplayed them. If they killed me they outplayed me. No abuse of whatever is best in the meta. I encourage anyone who reads this to play weird bot lane duos and deviate from ADC and Support whenever they can (in norms). Hopefully we can crack this boring meta and find a new type of bot lane.

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Only Play Darius21 votes

Teemo Heimerdinger

Not all off--meta bot lanes are enjoyable. ^^this here botlane is THE. BOTLANE. FROM. HELL.

Would play this bot with my friend all the time. The amount of shit we would get from enemies telling us how miserable we made the game was unbelievable.

Zenthon Prime36 votes

Top: Swain Jungle: Nunu Mid: Malzahar Bot: Teemo Heimerdinger

For maximum "fun".

air tiger11 votes

/harakiri

Aych Pii11 votes

Blitzcrank Thresh bot lane I've seen a few times. It's terrible.

Only Play Darius6 votes

#HookCityBitch

Must be similar to Garen Darius#SpinCityBitch

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

Blitzcrank Fiora The whole plan was to lvl 1 cheese them. . . . It worked. Not even Riven is a brutal as that was.

DeynaTaggerung1 votes

Played against that lane, thankfully was on Sivir so thankfully I was able to block what I couldn't dodge (mostly). I can't imagine the horror on any other adc :P

3TWarrior4 votes

you want horror, there are at least 5 champs with pull mechanics, Ahri , Blitzcrank , Nautilus , Darius , Thresh

5 champions...5 possible roles

why has no one done this? XD

Red Frostraven1 votes

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Blitzcrank Thresh bot lane I've seen a few times. It's terrible.

Add in Darius, and you can chain-pull them :D :D :D

3TWarrior1 votes

lol, how about Nautilus ? he can root them in place, stun, slow, and he also has a drag (but it's lower range and pulls the two together instead of to him)

lol, fear the hooks with this setup and jungle nautilus XD, oh, then Ahri mid for E pulls instakill XD, hmm, who else to be evil...several mentioned Darius

lol, I so want to see this in a match XD 5 pull champs, you will never escape! XD

DarkestDisciple3 votes

Kalista + Thresh + Blitzcrank for the multi-screen-length pull. Add in Nautilus and Darius for giggles.

rampaging poet1 votes

I lost horribly to Kalista + Thresh bot with Nautilus jungle. Kalista ult -> Flay -> Latern Nautilus in for huge CC and they still have their two hooks.

Traxinator1 votes

I actually played a game where we had a Blitzcrank Thresh bot, Darius top,Nautilus jungle, and an Azir mid(for the ult). We won that game.

EDIT: I was the thresh

Chespin20132 votes

should try botBlitzcrank Heimerdinger just hook to heims turrets knockup silence and watch as the bot lane die its so fun to play

aaronconlin1 votes

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Teemo Heimerdinger

Not all off--meta bot lanes are enjoyable. ^^this here botlane is THE. BOTLANE. FROM. HELL.

Would play this bot with my friend all the time. The amount of shit we would get from enemies telling us how miserable we made the game was unbelievable.

Shaco is annoying as hell bot lane too. 3 boxes in the bush for first blood

Hyrum Graff3 votes

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Shaco is annoying as hell bot lane too. 3 boxes in the bush for first blood

I've played Shaco Blitzcrank bot before. Stack traps in bush, blitz sits in bush, zone forever.

LOL Spammer1 votes

:D

unban swifty1 votes

My favorite botlane I ever did with my friend was Khazix and Rengar. We just waited in the bush closest to their turret at level 1.

As soon as the enemy Annie got to the bush we killed her. Literally 2 seconds. She came back to lane and we did the exact same thing, insta-gibbed at the bush. It was so great.

Darth Pixy Misa4 votes

Here is a Favorite Bot Lane poison combo: Teemo Cassiopeia

DiminishedAC4 votes

People keep using "meta" like it's a bad thing. It is literally the most optimal strategy that we know of based on the game's current state (the definition of meta-game).

The reason we have an ADC is simple: a standard build ADC has the most damage potential at full items, regardless of level. We put a support with said ADC because, as I said, leveling up doesn't do as much as getting items. We put mages and casters in the middle lane alone because they scale really well with both levels AND gold. Putting them in the middle of the lane allows them to use their earlier power to dominate the entire map, rather than only their lane. The jungler is meant to give map presence throughout and maintain objective control. These champions have generally good scaling, but have a kit that benefits other players more (CC and the like). Now, our top laner is just another body for most of the game. In our current meta, being tanky and with plenty of CC is favorable, so they can have the mid-game teamfighting presence that teams need.

The meta exists for a reason -- because it is the most effective way to win. Having a good mix of both magic damage and physical damage, a presence throughout the stages of the game, and objective control is a base strategy that has been proven.

HOWEVER!!!! This isn't the be-all-end-all strategy; far from it! I'm a huge fan of playing against the meta, mostly because I don't play to win; I play to have fun. I recently picked up AD Malzahar Jungle -- and I love it! Did you know that Malzahar's voidlings' base attack damage at max rank are the highest in the game at level 18? They're only beaten by Baron Nashor. Pretty crazy, man.

Xelor Prime3 votes

Malzahar Syndra bot Malzahar put his E on a minion then Syndra throw it at them oh and the double ult just erase the adc :D

Wheatloaf6 votes

Good lord, sir. Just the Malzahar E and R is a combined 2.1 AP ratio, no need to throw Syndra in there, too >.>

PolarTroop2 votes

Breaking the meta is fun for me. I honor ever one on my team who does not complain when i do it. Non-Meta junglers are the best

Kendra2 votes

Sounds like fun! How did they work out the logistics of it? Who took farm, did either of them build sightstone, etc?

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

I dunno what they did, but it'd probably be better for Xerath to take the farm, since he scales better with AP. The reason why Vel'cro became a support was because he does well with just CDR. Just my guess

Aych Pii2 votes

Xerath support was briefly a thing, too.

IcyPepper3 votes

In a comp like that, it'd probably be better for the jungler to build sightstone.

Bot isn't always in charge of vision :3

ShinobisDemon1 votes

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Sounds like fun! How did they work out the logistics of it? Who took farm, did either of them build sightstone, etc?

i would assume that Xerath would get half the farm. No one would build sightstone but they would both upgrade wards. and um, Kills would be first come first serve.

Singing Lark2 votes

Leona support + Lissandra

Has the most stupidest amount of hard engage and Lissandra will blow up squishies instantly. Deleted me (Janna ) and Draven every time they engaged.

Baron of Bread2 votes

I think Ziggs would be a good choice to replace a standard ADC. He is pretty good for taking towers and providing some sustained damage.

Boogs2 votes

Janna + Yasuo Darius + Draven Gangplank + MissFortune Leona + Pantheon

PepijndM1 votes

Teemo + Cassiopeia

^^

Boogs1 votes

D:

MaximumNinja171 votes

Nami + Yasuo I've found works better more reliable

3TWarrior2 votes

actually, in norms I enjoy dumping the jungler role and instead having 2 or 3 ADCs bottom. your opponents literally can't overcome your firepower and you get fed like crazy. if all 3 have face of the mountain's building part it means you can double the gold of the minion and divide it among you and another of your carries and heal your teammate for free. At early game, the heal is far larger than life steal sustain given by doran's

by the time the enemy jungler intervenes (if they have one), you get to the point that even if they kill you, your team took 2 of the 3 people in the lane as kills for themselves and destroyed the tower

it's a very fun setup especially for longer ranged carries like kogmaw and caitlynn

xl Kirito lx2 votes

Zilean Sion

Zilean would throw a bomb onto our minion, then Sion would shout the minion to us. Wasn't the most effective, but still incredibly fun.

Samflash31 votes

Syndra could lift the targeted minion and throw it at them.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

I've played vs Annie (support) and Brand bot. They both built AP and decimated our team. Annie sets the combo of Brand with a stun and you basically are dead.

ayNigerianPrince8 votes

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I've played vs Annie (support) and Brand bot. They both built AP and decimated our team. Annie sets the combo of Brand with a stun and you basically are dead.

Fuck, I hate that duo. I played against it once and I'll kill myself if I have to do it again

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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I've played vs Annie (support) and Brand bot. They both built AP and decimated our team. Annie sets the combo of Brand with a stun and you basically are dead.

I played against an Annie/blitz bot once and that was pretty terrible. It was either hook into stun, or stun into guaranteed hook.

3TWarrior2 votes

don't forget that blitz's hook stuns you too

Biffolo1 votes

Except that adc and support bot is still the best one statistically speaking. You aren't going to change that, sorry.

Wheatloaf1 votes

In the spirit that, simply replacing the ADC (or moving them mid. A lot of marksmen can actually perform reasonably well in the short lane, especially the more caster-like ones.) with a more consistent damage APC (Orianna, Velkoz, Cassiopeia, and Azir are all good examples) can keep more or less the same damage output you'd expect from a bot lane, while switching the damage type/mechanics of the lane. It hold almost no actual strategic value, but it's not inherently detrimental to your team, and it can be fun.

Biffolo1 votes

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In the spirit that, simply replacing the ADC (or moving them mid. A lot of marksmen can actually perform reasonably well in the short lane, especially the more caster-like ones.) with a more consistent damage APC (Orianna, Velkoz, Cassiopeia, and Azir are all good examples) can keep more or less the same damage output you'd expect from a bot lane, while switching the damage type/mechanics of the lane. It hold almost no actual strategic value, but it's not inherently detrimental to your team, and it can be fun.

Well, then you lose out on ranged objective taking power if you drop the adc. Moving the adc mid can be quite risky, seeing as it makes them more susceptible to be attacked from more places. And even if it isn't detrimental, if it holds no stretegic value then it's a waste of time IMO.

3TWarrior1 votes

jinx: there is no ganking her. She gets a kill, she is uncatchable, she doesn't get a kill, she throws down her flame chomps for an easy root. I haven't tried it, but with long range AAs and aoe burst, she could probably pull it off if she wasn't facing Xerath or Ziggs, but once she hit like level 3, she'd probably be able to take ziggs, not sure. Xerath has too much crowd control for her though, but he's a rare appearance nowadays

Biffolo1 votes

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jinx: there is no ganking her. She gets a kill, she is uncatchable, she doesn't get a kill, she throws down her flame chomps for an easy root. I haven't tried it, but with long range AAs and aoe burst, she could probably pull it off if she wasn't facing Xerath or Ziggs, but once she hit like level 3, she'd probably be able to take ziggs, not sure. Xerath has too much crowd control for her though, but he's a rare appearance nowadays

No, jinx is gankable so long as it's set up properly. People just need to realize when facing a cheese lane to just farm from your maximum range, don't pick fights and wait until one of them becomes useless. Push into mid game with it being a 4v5 and face stomp your opponents. It's why xin panth dosen't work. "oh, im down cs from where id like to be. Good thing that they have no adc AND one of them will be useless."

chriserit1 votes

Azir W can take out towers easily if you build him Full AP.

FalconPawwwwnch1 votes

Never gonna happen

ADCs are way too strong early game compared to other classes in 2v2s and outscale everything late game

The Whamboozler1 votes

Goofy bot lanes are the best. Better still if they work, even. My cousin and I have a few.

Velkoz + Viktor : Lazer death lane. Zones the enemy like mad. The sheer, hideous amount of spank those two can dish out together is insane. As long as you don't let yourself get flanked by the jungler/midlaner, you're golden.
To a lesser extent Velkoz + Lux : AKA the hentai bot lane. Not nearly as bursty as the above combo and neither scales as well as Vik with farm, but fun for some lulz.
Swain + Fiddlesticks : Both in their pirate skins, o' course. Swain does all the farming and Fiddle plays support. Lane can be a bit rough at first, until Swain gets his ult and then you both have too much sustain to ever be pushed out of lane again. Utter terrors in teamfights too.

But then, we're also fond of bringing out Shaco + Teemo duo bot in 3v3. The sheer annoyance factor of it never gets old.

RainbowIcee1 votes

I played vs Brand + annie bot.. and let me tell you.. it was not fun :V

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