Core principles of Vayne that had been broken over the years.

Craft Zeppelin·Mar 29, 2019·9 votes·3,890 views

Thou shall not burst. This has changed over the years with tumble buff, you can essentially cheese the enemy with Bork.
Thou shall not cheat your 3-hit passive. Guinsoo's phantom hit exists. If this thing is allowed, why Runaan's bolts aren't? It is still gamebreaking to the same degree. Apparently hitting minions before fighting is considered a very high skilled thing to do. Also hail of blades, PTA or whatever rune just amplifies this exploitation.
Thou are a high skill champion. Vayne's with less than 10 games have a average of over 50% winrate.

...This isn't the Vayne i remember 4 seasons ago anymore. She essentially is tweaked to a rework level now.

15 Comments

OneMustFallMar 29, 20192 votes

People complain about Vayne while Jinx is melting people with three items in three or four hits. I don't know why it's ok for Jinx to be broken but Vayne can't even be decent without people bitching about her.

BackdoorPrincessMar 29, 20194 votes

anyone with lockdown or burst can take a jinx out, her defense is chomper, which have a priming time on them, she can't go invis every other auto, or take a minimum of 14%max hp every 3 (2 seriously) autos, has no knockback+stun, and no AA reset. I get that jinx is strong, but she has definite weaknesses

OneMustFallMar 29, 20191 votes

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anyone with lockdown or burst can take a jinx out, her defense is chomper, which have a priming time on them, she can't go invis every other auto, or take a minimum of 14%max hp every 3 (2 seriously) autos, has no knockback+stun, and no AA reset. I get that jinx is strong, but she has definite weaknesses

You could literally make that same argument for every champion in the game, including Vayne. If you CC Vayne, she dies. The difference is Vayne does not have the range Jinx does or get an insane steroid that makes her unstoppable once she kills one person. Vayne can solo anyone, Jinx can solo your whole team.

Done25Mar 29, 20193 votes

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You could literally make that same argument for every champion in the game, including Vayne. If you CC Vayne, she dies.

Unless she tumbles right before the CC and waits it out during invisibility. Assuming you can even hit her.

OneMustFallMar 29, 20191 votes

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Unless she tumbles right before the CC and waits it out during invisibility. Assuming you can even hit her.

You mean during the 10 seconds she used her ult?

Done25Mar 29, 20191 votes

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You mean during the 10 seconds she used her ult?

Most fights only last 5 seconds these days. :)

kingDeDeDariusMar 29, 20193 votes

Lol no. Difference is that jinx is a sitting duck and easier to cc, while a half decent vayne can dodge 90% of cc and other skill shots WITH EASE.

kingDeDeDariusMar 29, 20192 votes

Lol no. Difference is that jinx is a sitting duck and easier to cc, while a half decent vayne can dodge 90% of cc and other skill shots WITH EASE. Also, that is a straight up lie. Jinx CAN'T solo a whole team start to finish unless everyone goes in 1 or two at a time and she is extremely fed, or if she is like diamond and they are straight up wood tier. Don't try to lie to defend the BS that is vayne. Jinx will get the hate train coming as soon as they nerf vayne to Oblivion. Vayne has been too oppressive for far too long, Mich longer than jinx.

OneMustFallMar 29, 20191 votes

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Lol no. Difference is that jinx is a sitting duck and easier to cc, while a half decent vayne can dodge 90% of cc and other skill shots WITH EASE. Also, that is a straight up lie. Jinx CAN'T solo a whole team start to finish unless everyone goes in 1 or two at a time and she is extremely fed, or if she is like diamond and they are straight up wood tier. Don't try to lie to defend the BS that is vayne. Jinx will get the hate train coming as soon as they nerf vayne to Oblivion. Vayne has been too oppressive for far too long, Mich longer than jinx.

That's just false and evidenced by the win rates. Jinx is out of control whereas Vayne is just a decent pick. Jinx has an almost 10% pick rate but a near 54% win rate. People want to act like Vayne is always invisible but that is only when she ults. And her Q CD functions the same way. Vayne's win rate goes down at higher elos because skilled players know how to deal with her and lock her down.

So much bias on these boards when it comes to Vayne it's ridiculous. All because she has TRUE DAMAGE which she needs to even be relevant cause of her single target abilities. I wouldn't care if she was the top of the ladder but she's not even close to the best ADC at any elo and yet we see spam topics about her cause it's easy to get upvotes if you hate on Vayne.

BackdoorPrincessMar 29, 20191 votes

It's not even about cc, her kit was legit made to be "if you get to me I can't do anything, but I have ridiculous damage to make up for it", she has a single self peel on a long ass cooldown compared to most of the adc's right now that either have easily resettable dashes, or stealths. Twitch can do the same thing Jinx can to teams, except he doesn't have the movement speed passive on kill which is why you don't see him complained about, Xayah has roots and can go untargatable, but doesn't get that massive AS steroid that jinx does. Trist as an AS steroid and a jump AND a knockback, but has pretty much no offensive abilities besides putting a bomb and autoing, Cait has traps and a net, both of which apply headshots to her target BUT she only gets the one net and traps have a delay again. Ashe has a stun and constant slows but that's it. Jinx has an aimed single target slow which is usually used for finishing kills as opposed to peeling since she roots herself during, 3 chompers, that's it, the rest is damage. ADC's are supposed to scale hard, but Jinx is significantly less problematic than Lucian/Vayne/Kai with damn near infinite kite potential, 2 of them having %hp damage (max and missing), and the last abusing the shit out of black cleaver/PTA with his passive being able to be procced 3 times in under a second.

Vulkus IMar 29, 20192 votes

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People complain about Vayne while Jinx is melting people with three items in three or four hits. I don't know why it's ok for Jinx to be broken but Vayne can't even be decent without people bitching about her.

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Moody PMar 29, 20195 votes

Vayne is more frustrating more often

She's also picked more which likely leads to people getting sick of seeing her faster than Jinx

OneMustFallMar 29, 20191 votes

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Vayne is more frustrating more often

She's also picked more which likely leads to people getting sick of seeing her faster than Jinx

I don't know, I see JInx in almost every other game I play.

People talk about Vayne being OP but you know how many Vayne pentakills I've seen this season? None.

You know how many Jinx pentakills I've seen? Like ten. It's gotten old.

kingDeDeDariusMar 29, 20195 votes

Jinx doesn't get away when you finally make it to melee range, doesn't have near spammable point and click cc, doesn't have invisibility, and doesn't have extremely high percent true damage that can be heavily buffed with phantom hit. Jinx may or may not be stronger than vayne, but she will never be hated Luke vayne because jinx FEELS fair to fight against.

OneMustFallMar 29, 20191 votes

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Jinx doesn't get away when you finally make it to melee range, doesn't have near spammable point and click cc, doesn't have invisibility, and doesn't have extremely high percent true damage that can be heavily buffed with phantom hit. Jinx may or may not be stronger than vayne, but she will never be hated Luke vayne because jinx FEELS fair to fight against.

Because Vayne is a duelist. People hate her because they can't 1v1 her. But when it comes to team fights, Jinx is far harder to get to and kill because she has 700 range and can literally run circles around you if she assists or kills anything. Jinx also shreds tanks with BOTRK even without true damage. Vayne has to put herself in the middle of the fight and is forced to single target each champion while Jinx can melt the whole team from distance like she's using Twitch's ult with no c/d. What makes that fair to fight against?