just found out EVERY SPELL triggers dank harvest

Arammus·Dec 2, 2018·62 votes·18,302 views

anivia wall, trundle pillar, bard ult (yes bard ult hurts you if he has dank harvest)

gg lol

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4RVNb5yBE here is a video of bard ult killing s1 with dark harvest

91 Comments

Madsin25Dec 2, 201832 votes

The description says "Damaging a champion".

So if displacements and stasis is causing it to proc it is a bug.

YagoDec 2, 201815 votes

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The description says "Damaging a champion".

So if displacements and stasis is causing it to proc it is a bug.

Unless something has changed, Crystallize and Pillar of Ice cause a single point of True damage which explains that. Furthermore, Tempered Fate has triggered Elixir of Sorcery's bonus damage for a long time, so it doesn't surprise me that it also triggers Dark Harvest.

deadlychuckDec 2, 201819 votes

Yeah that 1 true damage was their their easy solution to drawing tower aggro and assist credit.

That use to not matter, because very little was triggered by simply damaging a target... no so much anymore.

Crispy0SnakeDec 2, 20183 votes

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The description says "Damaging a champion".

So if displacements and stasis is causing it to proc it is a bug.

Trundle pillar does 1 true damage btw

Livin like RivenDec 3, 20181 votes

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Trundle pillar does 1 true damage btw

So does Veigar's cage, I've heard, which does not actually trigger DH whether the enemy is in the center or gets hit by the stun wall.

TerchioDec 3, 20181 votes

Veigar's cage does not deal damage. He is not one of the special cases. The damage was created to draw tower aggro, Trundle Pillar/Anivia Wall/Zilean bombs (pre-explosion) will draw aggro. The stun cage will not.

ez mental boomDec 2, 201847 votes

It's because lazy, spaghetti-coding riot couldn't figure out a way to give assists for CC other than adding 1 "pure" damage (goes through shields).

TerchioDec 3, 20185 votes

I don't think this is quite accurate. As an example, Elise Cocoon will not damage an enemy, and will not draw tower aggro. However, Cocoon will give assists if that's all that's landed, because of the snare. I've done that a number of times on sure kills that I want to feed my team while assisting, and in the other case on tower dives that I want to setup strong before the tower starts to fire.

To compare to Bard, damage from ultimate might proc tower aggro, but I didn't think it did. If so, it'd be like the other 1 pure damage ticks, which are not in place to give assists, but instead to draw said turret aggro and disrupt overly safe diving mechanics, such as Trundle Pillar (when he tanks up hardcore) or Zilean Bombs (extremely safe poke with next to no chance of aggro without damage on land).

On the other hand, if Bard doesn't draw tower aggro on ulti, it's not damage, and DH is actually procced on non-damaging spells. Not sure which is true there.

WolfeurDec 3, 20182 votes

Elise was after Anivia and Trundle. They got the technology™ in the meantime

XeroKimoDec 3, 20181 votes

And bard was after elise

WolfeurDec 3, 20181 votes

Yeah, so that might be a bug, and not due to legacy code

XeroKimoDec 3, 20181 votes

Bard's ult does do 1 true damage, it's not a bug

WolfeurDec 3, 20181 votes

Really? Huh…

Sire HippingtonDec 3, 20181 votes

Stasis is not seen as a CC, so unlike a cocoon it won't give an assist on it's own. Adding 1damage is probably the easiest way to add asists to it and with the exeption of current dark harvest it doesn't do any harm to the game. And dark harvest has plenty issues it's self with out that already.

TerchioDec 3, 20181 votes

This is not a technology thing. They had non-damaging assists since Shen came out with his taunt back in season 1ish, and purposely added damage (a bit more in his case) to draw turret aggro. Until then, he was one of the safest tower dives in the game, as he was already tanky enough to outlast basically everything.

Edit: And probably Nasus before that, in Beta/Alpha. He still doesn't have damage put on it.

Edit 2: And Fiddle.

Sire HippingtonDec 3, 20181 votes

The difference is that cocoon is an actuall CC, anivias wall and bard ult not. Trundle however is just a why not from riot i guess, probably because terrain doing 1 damage already was a thing from anivia and they didn't see the need to change it, and up to current dark harvest which has design issues anyway it never really was an issue.

TerchioDec 4, 20181 votes

All 3 are CC, all 3 damage slightly. It would be stun, immobilize and displacement

Edit: actually, cocoon doesn't damage. I was thinking Trundle Pillar when this was first typed.

Sire HippingtonDec 4, 20181 votes

Anivas wall didn't have a displace in early seasons(it pushed people aside but didn't interrupt stuff and thus the system didn't count it as CC), which is why the 1 damage was added for assists Also, stasis is not **technically **counted as CC for that matter as well, which is why bards ult has 1 damage for assists

IcyPepperDec 4, 20181 votes

Bard's ult isn't cc? You sure about that?

Sire HippingtonDec 4, 20181 votes

Not technically, so the stasis alone doesn't count towards assists in the context of riots system. Same with Anivias wall, which didn't have a displace on direct hit in the past.

IcyPepperDec 5, 20181 votes

Oh, my bad. I thought you were saying the exact opposite, so whoops.

GhaelWindsDec 3, 20181 votes

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It's because lazy, spaghetti-coding riot couldn't figure out a way to give assists for CC other than adding 1 "pure" damage (goes through shields).

What's fun is true dmg can technically kill trynd through ult or cause GA not to proc.

Du Ma MiDec 3, 20184 votes

Ignite has true damage and if you ignite a tryndamere who is ulting he doesn't die, so I think you're mistaken here.

GhaelWindsDec 5, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Du Ma Mi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ugkoJhsA,comment-id=0001000200040000,timestamp=2018-12-03T18:36:39.800+0000)

Ignite has true damage and if you ignite a tryndamere who is ulting he doesn't die, so I think you're mistaken here.

No no. Pure =/= true damage. Pure damage is only found on the fountain laser and on the champion made obstacles. It ignores shields, Invulnerabilities, and resurrect abilities as well as ignoring MR and armor.

Edit: just read my message. I meant pure damage. Sorry.

Du Ma MiDec 5, 20181 votes

All good, interesting fact about pure damage though. Didn't realize I could kill Trynd with a trundle E. Is this consistent, or is it more of a "once in a while" bug?

AstutelyDec 3, 20181 votes

Currently, DH procs on procs. For example, it works on Ezreal's new w which applies no damage before he autos or lands a spell. They said they're removing this in the next patch. Hopefully, it will include removing it from CC like Anivia's wall, and Bard's ult.

ZerglingOneDec 2, 20184 votes

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The description says "Damaging a champion".

So if displacements and stasis is causing it to proc it is a bug.

False terrain and other effects like bard's ult do a negligible amount of damage to put whoever they hit in combat.

GigglesODec 3, 20182 votes

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The description says "Damaging a champion".

So if displacements and stasis is causing it to proc it is a bug.

They all deal 1 true damage so that tower aggros properly. Before they did that turrets were just like "what champion" Its working as intended.

BeersteinDec 2, 201815 votes

That's because those spells do 1 true damage, all you need to trigger it.

Neptunia xoxoDec 2, 201815 votes

Tbh Anivia wall and trundle pillar deal 1 true damage so yeah I don't doubt it.

TomiMan7Dec 2, 20189 votes

Yes they all do 1 true dmg so you can get assits with them, is that a suprise for you? lol....

TheMinezDec 2, 20187 votes

What about Singed ? His W can stop a TP, but can't stop a recall or proc harvest

feintfiendDec 3, 20181 votes

This is false information. Singed's W can NOT stop a TP and only his E, which is a displacement spell, can stop TPs. Only displacements/hard CCs can stop TPs.

etimologiaDec 3, 20183 votes

Please don't spread "false information". As a Singed main, I stopped countless TPs and Shen ults solely with my W. W has the "grounded" efect, which prevents dashes/blinks ( summoner 12 and Shen ults are just global blinks, after all). Nocturne can't dash (he can apply nearsight), Zed can't ult/W back to his shadows, Darius can't ult (for some reason it's coded like a dash). I would suppose (never tried it) you can cancel TwistedFate / Galio / Pantheon ult channel, I dare say you could also cancel Hexflash channel

DracosKasuDec 2, 20187 votes

Everything pop it and that the issue. The requirement is just too easy which make many kill feel extremely bad and unrewarding.

ŚhunpoDec 3, 20186 votes

Zoe's dying in this clip, this is satisfying to watch.

ElipoDec 3, 20181 votes

Ikr [sg-jinx]

SanKakUDec 2, 20184 votes

That's cute if true.

Yara0Dec 3, 20184 votes

100% sure soraka heal won't proc dark harvest. Therefore "every spell" is false and an exaggeration to try and cause more drama.

meowwow7Dec 2, 20183 votes

death by bard ult!! [sg-kiko]

SociopathFriendDec 2, 20182 votes

Yorick meanwhile cries into his bass guitar as his wall does no such thing.

wolviusDec 2, 20183 votes

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Yorick meanwhile cries into his bass guitar as his wall does no such thing.

Really? I though all player created terrain that displaces an enemy did one true damage. .... .... .... .... Op I've been using interaction sense day one of the new dark harvest, It's hilarious when you pillar someone and they die to it, I have actually ended up with the most stacks on my team on ARAM due to this(and the health healed when enemies explode) . FYI Trundle pillar also works for mana-flow band stacking due to that true damage on E as well, it proved really helpful with his mana issues.

feintfiendDec 3, 20182 votes

To be fair, she was dead anyways since he would've reached her in time. This just seems like a really niche thing.

Livin like RivenDec 3, 20182 votes

Dark Harvest also procs on Ezreal W landing, not being popped, which does 0 damage, and will not grant an assist on its own.

Metal JannaDec 3, 20181 votes

The other day I gave Ashe a DH stack mid because she shot a Hawkshot all the way to bot, where I had less than 50% hp. The simple solution is to make "damage a champion" require 2 or more points of damage to trigger.

PepijndMDec 3, 20181 votes

Wait wut? That's her vision thingy right? How does that proc?

ElipoDec 3, 20181 votes

Mmm. DH Ashe new meta

Metal JannaDec 4, 20181 votes

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Wait wut? That's her vision thingy right? How does that proc?

Like others mentioned it's because the spell has 1 true damage tacked on to make it give assists if the person dies to a teammate. That 1 damage triggers DH.