dont you love the kind of people that have no logic at all?

Arammus·Mar 13, 2018·66 votes·2,918 views

so you dont pick a tanky champ top... you dont die once. meanwhile mid is feeding yasuo like crazy they say its top fault for not picking a tank you ask them "so if i was a tank, you would not have died 13 times in under 16minutes vs a yasuo in 1v1?" and the answer is "stfu you are a troll and you get a ban for playing quinn top"

meanwhile the sup asks you to not chat so much cause all you said so far was "gl hf" and "lags" and they say its distracting them. so you tell them that you mute them (you actually dont) and they keep on chatting to you even tho you totally ignore them. and every time they die "omg top laner distracting me again". how? by ignoring you?

i really wonder how these people dont forget to breath. in their logic their mom doesnt tell them every 5 seconds to breath. so they should actually die from not breathing

rant end ty.

77 Comments

Kei143Mar 13, 201838 votes

Your breathing distracts them.

ArammusMar 13, 201822 votes

i would not be surprisded if they actually said that

abca98Mar 13, 20188 votes

Once voice chat is added this will happen.

ArammusMar 13, 20185 votes

its only for premades tho as far as i know

abca98Mar 13, 20184 votes

You really think that being premade would stop them from complaining about breathing?

MuzétMar 13, 201827 votes

By playing a non-tank top you are putting them under pressure. They don't know how to play anymore since there is no tank top. It's not the game they're used to play but another one. Spells change drastically, heck even champion models and name changed once you picked Quinn Top. Their key bindings aren't the same even the map is no longer the summoner's rift we know since S5. All of that because you didn't pick a tank top. Report 100% deserved.

MarshbouyMar 13, 201818 votes

Emotions>logic every time.

revliledpembrokeMar 14, 20181 votes

MY EMOTIONS SAY THAT I AM AN ATTACK HELICOPTER! DON'T USE YOUR RACIST "SCIENCE" AND "LOGIC" TO DISAGREE WITH ME!

SSShutTheDuckUpMar 13, 20188 votes

Every now and then you will meet people like this. Not only in League, you will meet them everywhere. You cannot help them, you have to learn to deal with them. In game they are bearable, 40 minutes and you go on with you life. And be happy they are not your close relatives, or in-laws or any other people you need to deal with on a regular bases. Then it is much worse, and yes, I talk from experience

AllyK8eMar 13, 20181 votes

You should try friend requesting the next person you meet in-game who doesn't understand something. You might be surprised by how touched and receptive the other person will be when it's in a post-game setting and all the peer pressure stress goes out the window.

SSShutTheDuckUpMar 13, 20185 votes

Probably, but why would I even bother doing this? It might sound like an asshole thing to say, but I already have enough of this shit around me, so why would I spend time on it when I can spend it on people who actually deserve it.

SangreDeNocheMar 15, 20181 votes

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You should try friend requesting the next person you meet in-game who doesn't understand something. You might be surprised by how touched and receptive the other person will be when it's in a post-game setting and all the peer pressure stress goes out the window.

All I get when that happens is people calling me bad words because they think they can't be reported if it's a private message lol

One guy reminded me of those "nice guy" texts where they're assuring you they only have the BEST intentions while simultaneously cursing you with every other breath.

I Main SwainMar 13, 20182 votes

i work at a car wash and its hilarious the things people will try to pull on us.

"i didnt have my car in drive, your conveyor threw me through the tunnel!!!!11!1!!"

"sir, the conveyor only moves like a mile an hour, not only that but it was off and you flew through going at least 30"

TokogawarufMar 13, 20183 votes

I honestly love reading the Chat with these people in it. Its so entertaining to see someone make such a huge fool of himself just for the sake of being a fool.

Of course, it doesnt mean i dont find them annoying or sometimes toxic aswell, but its still cheap entertainment.

Jo0oMar 13, 20183 votes

You ignore them and leave them to suffer.

You had to put up with their stupidity for 15-45 minutes, and lost a game over it. They'll have to put up with their stupidity for the rest of their life. They'll dig a far deeper grave on their own than anything you can throw at them via in-game chat.

HalcyonDwellerMar 13, 20183 votes

"so if i was a tank, you would not have died 13 times in under 16minutes vs a yasuo in 1v1?"

What exactly is this supposed to accomplish? Other than to put the player down for blaming you, and to stroke your own ego?

Don't play the blame game dude, it's a lose-lose situation, and you're only worsening yourself when you stoop to their level.

Edit: I'm with you on the rest of it. But you're definitely only making things worse with this one particular quote.

Ninja AssassinMar 13, 20183 votes

Pretty obvious, he's trying to get the mid laner to stop flaming him by calling out his hypocrisy.

HalcyonDwellerMar 13, 20181 votes

Sure, but we all know how that usually plays out.

[zombie-brand-clap]

It's ineffective and counterproductive.

Ninja AssassinMar 13, 20182 votes

Which is exactly what the post is about, players who don't use logic. There is nothing wrong with the op's actions, there is something wrong with his mid-laner's mindset, especially if he continues to flame after being called out.

HalcyonDwellerMar 13, 20181 votes

It is literally pointless to expect the midlaner to change, one is well aware that they are already combative, feeding them with antagonistic statements will only enrage them further. Thus the only likely outcome for the OP's actions is to spark a flame war.

So actually, there is definitely something wrong with the OP's actions.

Ninja AssassinMar 13, 20181 votes

Nope, its illogical to adjust your own actions based on your team mates attitudes. These are players you will interact with for 40 minutes of your day, then possibly never play with again. Being honest about your feeling and true to your own beliefs is way more important than making concessions for someone who has a shitty mentality just in order to avoid repercussions. If you are correct in your judgement you will be successful in the long run, but if you flip, flop and give concessions based on the player you are playing with, then you won't accomplish anything.

HalcyonDwellerMar 13, 20181 votes

I would argue that the contrary is true. Many players will play the blame game, just like that mid-laner did. If you choose to react in kind, then every time you encounter such a player then you will have a terrible game every time this happens.

It happens often enough that it is unreasonable to expect to be able to freely shoot back in the blame-game without things turning to shit.

Do you really care more about winning a questionable moral victory in chat than you do about having a fun game? Because that's how you stop having a fun game.

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Ninja AssassinMar 13, 20181 votes

Bro, its not about winning or losing. You can't win a conversation. It's just about staying true to your own convictions. Who gives a shit about what the other guy says? He can take solace in the fact that he tried to stop the other player from flaming by calling him out even if it didn't work. Besides, what other people say is no excuse for you not having fun. There is a mute button literally right on the tab menu. If someone is bugging you, just mute them and enjoy the game.

HalcyonDwellerMar 14, 20181 votes

Pretty much all of that is ineffectual. And you're still advocating for needling the idiotic mid-laner, which is a no-go. End of story.

Ninja AssassinMar 14, 20181 votes

I guess you have a very loose definition of needling, so I won't pursue this any further. Calling someone out on their bullshit is never a bad thing. And situations like that will only escalate if said individual escalates it himself. Either way, there i nothing wrong with what he said.

As for muting, I don't see it as ineffectual at all. If whether you enjoy this game or not is dependent on other people's chat, instead of your own play; then you are better off finding a new game to play, anyways.

HalcyonDwellerMar 14, 20181 votes

"Pretty much all" is not the same thing as "all." I read most of your comment but not all of it, and most of what I read was ineffectual.

Muting players is certainly effective. And that is what the OP should have done, rather than provide any fuel to the mid-laner's fire.

Ninja AssassinMar 14, 20181 votes

Way to split hairs. Either way, your opinion on what is effective and what isn't is just that: an opinion.

Muting should be a last resort, not your first instinct at the sign of trouble. What he said was an attempt to shut up the flamer, but not completely throw all communication out the window. It's completely fine to attempt to get someone to stop flaming and focus on the game by calling them out. Repeating that mistake is where you cross the line into harassment.

HalcyonDwellerMar 14, 20181 votes

I never said that one should not attempt to get a teammate to stop flaming and to focus. I said that one should not do it in a stupid way.

I re-read our conversation and noticed a missing link, so let me clear this up.

A person who has a poor mentality and blames others for their mistakes is certainly in the wrong. And they should be stopped, or as a last resort, muted. I'm with you on this.
Twisting a persons words back on them or pointing blame back at them will most likely make them angry and escalate the situation. This is objectively true.
Angering a person does the opposite of stopping them from flaming. When the person reacts and the situation escalates, it is obvious that our efforts failed to stop them flaming.
Thus it is perfectly logical to not use the same method in the future when faced with a similar situation. Provided that you genuinely want that player to "stop flaming."

There are much better methods for "stopping a flamer" than what the OP did. Additionally, what OP did made things worse. So yes it is my opinion that what the OP did was wrong, but it is a well-founded opinion that is backed up by solid reasoning.

If one genuinely wants their teammate to stop flaming, then they should probably switch from ineffective methods and instead use more effective ones. Otherwise there is something else at play, which is why I suggested that the OP's ego was a factor in their response.

Ninja AssassinMar 14, 20181 votes

I don't think he wrote out a whole decision matrix and paragraph in the middle of the game in order to determine how to stop someone from flaming without hurting their feelings. What he said was a natural response to being harassed and I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, when I read your earlier comment saying that "Muting players is certainly effective. And that is what the OP should have done, rather than provide any fuel to the mid-laner's fire." I assumed that you meant he should have immediately muted him instead of finding a healthier way to communicate with him. Either way, I see nothing wrong with what he said. Facts are neutral statements, if any offense is taken, then that is on the person taking offense to them.

HalcyonDwellerMar 15, 20181 votes

Edit: We ran out of reply space, I'm going to move this to a spot where you will receive a notification.

Aight. I definitely see why you would have thought that after reading what I wrote. I was so focused on opposing things that I overstepped a bit.

It seems we understand each other now. Thanks for discussing long enough to reach this point.

Yeah I'm sure he didn't make a decision matrix XD most likely he got offended and simply reacted, but that's my point. Self control is really important if we genuinely want these situations to be resolved.

Just because it's the truth doesn't make it helpful. A neutral statement of fact that carries the implication of blame is still an implication of blame, even if it is also a neutral statement of fact. The OP is just as guilty of getting offended and reacting as the mid-laner was for doing the same thing.

HalcyonDwellerMar 15, 20181 votes

We ran out of reply space so here is a continuation:

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I don't think he wrote out a whole decision matrix and paragraph in the middle of the game in order to determine how to stop someone from flaming without hurting their feelings. What he said was a natural response to being harassed and I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, when I read your earlier comment saying that "Muting players is certainly effective. And that is what the OP should have done, rather than provide any fuel to the mid-laner's fire." I assumed that you meant he should have immediately muted him instead of finding a healthier way to communicate with him. Either way, I see nothing wrong with what he said. Facts are neutral statements, if any offense is taken, then that is on the person taking offense to them.

Aight. I definitely see why you would have thought that after reading what I wrote. I was so focused on opposing things that I overstepped a bit.

It seems we understand each other now. Thanks for discussing long enough to reach this point.

Ninja AssassinMar 15, 20181 votes

Just because it's the truth doesn't make it helpful. A neutral statement of fact that carries the implication of blame is still an implication of blame, even if it is also a neutral statement of fact.

I just don't see it that way. Statements are just statements. It's ultimately up to the individual's interpretation of what is said, and I don't like any situation where people are forced to tailor their own statements and reactions in order to avoid triggering others, when the real issue is that people are illogically jumping to conclusions and assuming that a statement is negative simply because they are in a negative situation or are making negative statements themselves.

I have no problem with someone asking why another player has been dying or if they have trouble dealing with a certain champion. What I do have a problem with is: a person taking offense to something that just isn't offensive.

lolibusMar 13, 20183 votes

support - english english - support

tank support pls = I'm bad at adc

4th3t0sMar 14, 20183 votes

breathe*

i404notfoundMar 14, 20183 votes

You can blame Riot's policy of rewarding professional victims through bot driven automated systems that ARENT checked by humans.

HalcyonDwellerMar 14, 20181 votes

Riot doesn't reward people for getting harassed. End of story.

MuffledGarbageMar 13, 20182 votes

YOU KILLED AN ENEMY???

Y U DISTRAC MEEE?!?!?

GettemCloneMar 14, 20182 votes

i like the worst kind .. the adc who blame the top laner for losing bot ..

Jackin ur lawnMar 14, 20182 votes

Laughing so hard bc I meet these people like 3x a day and you nailed it.

ArammusMar 14, 20181 votes

yea its literally the way these people are

AllyK8eMar 13, 20181 votes

If I ever lag, I just ping my ping in top right corner.

Also, have you considered playing Shen? He could help out that feeding mid laner a lot better than a Quinn can. Either way, both champions should probably roam mid at least once some point during the first ten minutes of the game?

Lastly, I for one got a C- in an intro to logic class. Logic in its base form is hard for some people, myself included.

PæanMar 13, 20183 votes

For everyone that's not aware, you can toggle your fps and ping to show by pushing control+F. Be sure to hold control first or you will flash and everyone will spam ping you. Source: lvl 1 ryze without flash.

AllyK8eMar 14, 20181 votes

The ping/FPS was enabled for me by default when I started playing, but thank you!

PæanMar 14, 20181 votes

Mine was for a while and then I got a new update and it went away. Searched for a half hour to find the setting and just wanted to share what I've learned. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AllyK8eMar 15, 20181 votes

It took me a WEEK to figure out the Enemy Has Wards Here ping was really called Alert ping or something because nobody, even teammates, would tell me what it was called in settings.

Wife In LanternMar 13, 20181 votes

I want some more information. Did they specifically tell you to play a tank in the champ select? What was the team comp? was the jungler an assassain? was midlaner a squishy mage? was the support an aggressive mage support like brand? I think if the comp is accepting, you picking quinn top is perfectly fine, but if your whole team really needed a tank and you played quinn, that kind of thing does tilt people.

ArammusMar 13, 20181 votes

i was first pick and noone said anything when i hovered quinn. our jungle hovered nautilus, then switched to sion and for whatever reason ended up picking teemo. they didnt say much about the jungler.

Yara0Mar 15, 20181 votes

IDK my reaction to flamers and assholes in norms is "calm the fuck down its norms" Because in reality if you want to be a hard ass play ranked i dont expect anyone in norms to be playing super try hard i expect them to be playing norms to practice a new champ or to just be playing for fun because they dont like the stress of ranked or want to queue with more then 1 friend.

I play ranked because i find norms to easy and i enjoy matches being rough. Plus i'm an above average support main that no lifes this fucking game so may as well keep fucking playing to see if it goes anywhere. I want to see how good i can get at a game for once.

MaxymMar 16, 20181 votes

they are right, everyone who plays non-tank on top lane is basically crippling the team on purpose. its not season 1 anymore where you could carry alone, the game is very team oriented. Playing quinn top or any other champ that is not suited for tanking and initiating is extremely frustrating. Its a chain of events which brings just to a loss, most of the times.

you pick quinn top, not havin a tank/bruiser/initiator into a meta that is made just for tank+CC. Your team after 15 minutes if you are lucky to get there, will get slaughtered on every team fight, and that is on you. The jungler which usually is an assassin doesnt have anything on the first line, no tank, no champ that can hold a second before you assassinate the adc or any other squishy.

Picking wrong champs for roles is extremely bad, its just trolling, because you know what your team needs.