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I am really fucking sick and tired of seeing Zed and Lee every fucking game

RedCyclone··259 votes·13,030 views

Talk about boring Oh hey it's a Zed mirror match midlane and a Lee mirror match jungle, what were the chances?

I'm fucking sick of seeing these two champions, the main problem with them is if you are anywhere near crappy with either one, you are a massive burden to your team and have basically created a 4v5 environment for your team where you may as well not exist BUT if you are good with them you do the opposite and create a 5v4 environment for your team because you are causing an enemy to tilt their tits off because of how incredibly frustrating it is to deal with these two when they get slightly ahead

"healthy"

Incoming downvotes because everyone and their grandma's play these fucking champions

228 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch47 votes

people. including me. hate champions with mobility that can be used in an offensive. and defensive way. nobody lie. you hate that ahri that bullies you the entire 20 minutes in lane only to gank her or catch her somewhere with yourjungle and she just dashes away laughing at you throwing her orb to get some poke. " oh you got low in lane?. flash works" no she just dashes and kills you.

you want to kill that leblanc. well you can't because every time you are about to kill her she gets a free flash and a shaco Q ultimate combo that makes it nearly impossible to kill her in lane. zed however just harrasses from 1000+ range and ults you when he chipped all your health away. W back.

all these champions have the privilege to be high reward and low risk. escapes/gap closers. high damage. good reason to dislike them

Knoyle4 votes

I had a game where I was trying to protect the mid laner by being their meatshield til they got safe enough distance away from Zed. Here is the problem with that. Zed can ignore me entirely. He teleports in ult range, Hits them with it and zips back out with me having NO way whatsoever of trying to make him pay for it. How? Simple, he started his shadow smack dab on the very middle of mid lane and we were RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE SECOND OUTER TURRET. There is no way to counter that without someone camping that shadow and He would still probably get away regardless because he has a slow to still help him run. I won't argue about balancing but just that type of thing to happen is tilting in itself.

charcharmunro16 votes

This is why I like Akali/Diana and to some degree Yasuo's mobility. Yes, they're quite mobile. However, their mobility is solely offensive, using it as an escape requires them to go into a minion wave or some such.

Very Epic Guy22 votes

Don't forget Yasuo! In a recent Nasus game I had the pleasure of murdering the annoying fuck top. It was so much fun watching him dash around in terror before I slow him and proceed to take off 1/2 his health in one q...

Keevalroy14 votes

Justice.

Pale Pirate14 votes

Justice. Garen

Fixed.

KaisadiIIa7 votes

That's what you get when you play Yasuo top. Seriously, most top champions have an easy lane against him because they can either outdamage him or simply ignore it, and Yasuo can't afford to be ignored.

MAGA MAN X 20205 votes

Malphite You really shouldn't be here little boy.

Amber Lynn18 votes

Zed's biggest counter is "not blind pick" xp

KaisadiIIa13 votes

Incoming downvotes because everyone and their grandma's play these fucking champions

Be sincere, you never expected any downvotes. Complaining about Zed or Lee here is guaranteed karma fest.

ayNigerianPrince6 votes

Always annoys me when people feel the need to add that. It's basically just a reminder for the circlejerkers to upvote it.

i like coconut10 votes

this is hurting me tho i main zed.....

Avios171 votes

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Penns9 votes

Isnt feast or famine healthy? At least healthier than those champs that just build full tank and run over you Malphite Volibear DrMundo

I still consider Lee "unhealthy" and broken because of his absurd mobility and surivability + his damage even when building tanky, but Zed is like... item 3157 and you cant do anything against their mid laner anymore, item 3140 you can do anything against their carry anymore (unless maybe you get a double or triple Q on them) and a top laner/ jungler with 2-3 tank items wont take damage either.

PrinceOfStorms48 votes

The problem with Zed is that his very presence forces you to rush an item that generally delays your powerspike (as there are no offensive stats on QSS, and the MR doesn't help at all with Zed), or forces you to back more often due to having less sustain (as rushing Zhonyas means you don't get a mana regen item until the laning phase is ending, if at all).

No other champion, barring Mundo, who more or less forces Executioner's Calling, with their mere presence, forces such drastic itemization changes. That is the problem with Zed, and the reason why he should be thrown into the dumpster along with pre-rework Poppy, old Olaf, Kha'zix, and where Rengar will inevitably end up.

To use your analogy back at you, isn't it healthy to have champions that actually have to go all in, and commit, to burn summoners and get kills? It's at least healthier than champion that can reliably go in, delete someone in 0.1 seconds, and run away Ahri Zed Leblanc Rengar

Mundo is like item 3123 and you can't do anything anymore, because you can't heal for anything worth a damn now (reduces your healing by 50% on any physical damage), anyone with this item now beats you in pretty much any duel.

Penns9 votes

Pretty much every single AP mid laner forces every AD mid laner to rush Hextrinker if they dont want to be insta oneshot tho lol

And grievous wounds only reduces self healing by 40% now, which still leaves him unkillable unless youre fed... or Vayne

Catastrop25 votes

Yeah but unlike our rush item for them, Hexdrinker synergizes with itself by making the shield stronger with the increased MR for only 1300g.

Lucifer3 votes

Don't forget the buffed it to give it armor pen. You basically build hexdrinker with mercs and win lane.
Meanwhile, we have a hyper nerfed Zhonya that offers no guarantee you can do anything but barely survive.

Vekkna14 votes

A better comparison would be if AD champs were forced to rush item 3139, only they don't get the active ability until completing it.

Being forced into a 3500g item that's crap until finished is not the same thing as Hexdrinker, which is 1300g and infinitely more effective than Seeker's Armguard.

Penns3 votes

So item 1058 is crap? Even item 3191 does a lot against AD champs if you stack it fast, u can go for cdr after that lol

Vekkna13 votes

When you have no mana NLR does nothing. Seekers is shredded by Zed's armor pen by the time you buy it.

Dar Raksada5 votes

I'm actually having more success against zed now that I stopped rushing Zhonya's. I rush chalice instead.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

What? The MR does nothing to help you, and you only get a bit of damage and regen from that, and no armor what so ever. I would never take that against a Zed.

The Deckowner3 votes

chalice gives u qss

Dar Raksada6 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ue1MLHcE,comment-id=0004000200000001,timestamp=2016-01-12T16:05:19.055+0000)

chalice gives u qss

it doesn't. Mikaels doesn't cleanse zed ult.

Dar Raksada6 votes

{quoted}

What? The MR does nothing to help you, and you only get a bit of damage and regen from that, and no armor what so ever. I would never take that against a Zed.

I build it so I can relax & farm. as Lux I won't get to kill zed if he doesn't fuck up hard anyway, so I might as well just get mana to farm/waveclear to prevent him from roaming. Zed typically can't 100-0 if you're full hp. I understand rushing armor instead, I was just pointing out I'm having more success now that I rush chalice instead of armor. It probably depends on playstyle and champion.

Dominick Destine9 votes

That's why I ban Zed in ranked.

Zed, Yasuo, Rengar are prime bans right now.

SnugglePuggle9411 votes

Yasuo isn't much of a threat now a days, as he has way more counterplay than Zed or Lee does. I used to hate Yasuo and think he was the most oppressive, overloaded champion in the game, but now I dislike Zed more. His damage has been buffed and he has too much safety.

SpecterVonBaren11 votes

Someone that gets to dance around you smashing their E key every time you try to use one of your abilities that isn't point and click so they can say "Outplayed" isn't my idea of, not a threat.

Knoyle6 votes

At the very least Yasuo doesn't have as much escape potential. His ult actually puts him in a dangerous spot with a Tank right next to his target.

LadyRenly2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ue1MLHcE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-12T10:13:46.654+0000)

That's why I ban Zed in ranked.

Zed, Yasuo, Rengar are prime bans right now.

Honestly, you ban those people because people play them, but they are far from being effective bans. Mundo and Lucian are far more ban worthy atm

Dominick Destine13 votes

{quoted}

they are far from being effective bans.

I understand that you are still new to the game and that's fine, but in Diamond/Plat bracket, you will find the game is played very differently than on the level you have played (Bronze V). It's not that you are 'wrong' per se, it's just different.

Etc.

ayNigerianPrince7 votes

Upvoted for being polite.

Slamurai Jack6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ue1MLHcE,comment-id=000500020000,timestamp=2016-01-12T19:11:03.441+0000)

I understand that you are still new to the game and that's fine, but in Diamond/Plat bracket, you will find the game is played very differently than on the level you have played (Bronze V). It's not that you are 'wrong' per se, it's just different.

Etc.

Lol. They're banned less in high elo than they are in low elo, especially Yasuo. I honestly still can't believe you're Diamond because literally every opinion you have sounds like it came straight out of low Silver. Don't try to lie to the lower elo players here by telling them that Diamond players are scared of Lee, Zed, and Yasuo, because it's blatantly not true, especially Yasuo. We're too busy banning champions that are actually good like Kindred, Gangplank, and Malphite.

KaisadiIIa3 votes

Why do you ban Yasuo? It's a free win if you happen to play against them.

The only reason I have to ban Yasuo is when someone in my team wants it. They really end up feeding all the games, and they will play him anywhere: you can pick mid and top and they'll play Yasuo jungler.

Itadaki Seieki2 votes

Just had a Yasuo in one of my games earlier. Didn't say a single word. Would ulti into their team even if one was in the air.

;~ ;

KaisadiIIa4 votes

I had one picking Yasuo top against a Kayle, when we had a composition that hadn't any synergy with him whatsoever. He fed, had like 20 farm at min 10 and then teamfights turned out to be 4v5, because even if he played decently, he was just useless for the rest of our composition which we picked before him.

Kaioko8 votes

Bring your Zed to my Kayle any day. The only reason I started playing her again is to deal against all the wannabe assassins who think they have mad skills. 9/10 games I win if I pick her into an assassin (including FIzz for that matter) better start banning Kayle again.

Girard7 votes

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NichtHurz3 votes

I don't care about counterpicking Lee. I'm a Shaco main and I'll beat most Lee players I meet since they don't really utilize their kits good enough. I don't even have a problem with Lee, even though he's annoying to deal with. My only problem with Lee is that it feels like he's in every 2nd game since he was released, even when other junglers are alot stronger due to the meta. I just don't want to see him anymore. I'd rather have all those Cinderhulk junglers after Cinderhulk release, post-rework Nida, buffed as hell Nocturne, Fiddlesticks, Vi, Amumu, Rek Sai, Kha Zix, Jarvan, Gragas, Diana, Evelynn... There are so many champions to be played, but you'll still have a place for Lee reserved in every game. I can understand that he's popular, but he's so popular that other champs completely disappear from the jungle. I'm pretty sure other junglers would be seen alot more if people wouldn't just instalock Lee Sin no matter what team comp they or the enemy team have.

NegusInParis6 votes

"Playrate doesn't mean that a champion is OP" No, but it's fucking boring to see the same champions every game so nerf them anyway

fractalfantasies1 votes

Nerfing fun champs people enjoy playing

Riot actually does want to be successful as a company lol

Ulquiorra9954 votes

Well if a single champion out of a pool which contains more that 120 champions is seeing play in 1 out of 3 games on average we might have a problem here which is unrelated to said champion being simply "fun to play".

And not to mention that those fun champions are often extremely obnoxious to play against. Bringing them down a notch might affect their players' fun in a negative way... and it will also make the game more fun for 5 people on the other team. To quote Spock: "The needs of many outweigh the needs of few".

GeorgeKnightRT4 votes

No downvotes for you man, I don't know if its just the EU server but honestly it seems every silver v - gold v jungler main is a Lee sin or rengar main and every mid is a zed or yasuo, I really feel bad about my generation of league players when it comes down to champion diversity, I hate to admit it but recently I found my self banning yasuo and sin not because I thought they where (I dont) op but because I din't want to see one of those guys in my games again.

RoflsMazoy5 votes

{quoted}

No downvotes for you man, I don't know if its just the EU server but honestly it seems every silver v - gold v jungler main is a Lee sin or rengar main and every mid is a zed or yasuo, I really feel bad about my generation of league players when it comes down to champion diversity, I hate to admit it but recently I found my self banning yasuo and sin not because I thought they where (I dont) op but because I din't want to see one of those guys in my games again.

Actually, banning Yasuo so your team doesn't pick him in the lower elos is a good idea a lot of the time. A lot of people just blind pick him into a bad match-up and end up feeding, and the guys that do that will do it every time. Lee Sin and Zed can do that to sometimes except they're kind of safer usually.

Koldheartedjsp1 votes

stop playing fucking blind then

literally stopped reading at mirror match

Ulquiorra9955 votes

It's almost as if some people actually want to play normals for fun and are tired of seeing same shit over and over again even there.

Koldheartedjsp1 votes

well then stop playing blind and play draft. you're much more likely to see those champs in blind than you are draft

LankPants4 votes

Just going to throw it out there, Lee has a 40% pickrate in ranked too. No matter what you do you can't avoid him. His pickrate everywhere is absolutely disgusting.

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