PSA - If I am mid VS an assassin and I am not an assassin, do not expect me to follow them

RedCyclone·Jan 2, 2016·229 votes·7,964 views

Getting really tired of playing against champions like Zed and Fizz, knowing full well that they are heading botlane and using my missing and warning ping to alert them Then they die to them and they start complaining that you do nothing and should have come down with them

I AM NOT suicidal enough to take someone like Lux or Ahri into the depths of the jungle where i know there is an assassin who is going to wipe me off the map if i encounter them, please listen to the frantic pings and let me get an advantage through getting an extra 2+ waves of creeps so I start overleveling them and dealing turret damage

134 Comments

TurquoiseYoshiJan 2, 201631 votes

For Lux, you can walk, like, halfway down and use your ult to help out.

invisiblecat1Jan 2, 201656 votes

But what if someone like zed is in that small bush in the River, and while your looking bot lane to aim your ulti, zed comes out of no where and one shots you before you can see what is happening.

Hyrum GraffJan 2, 20165 votes

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But what if someone like zed is in that small bush in the River, and while your looking bot lane to aim your ulti, zed comes out of no where and one shots you before you can see what is happening.

This is why wards are a thing. False roams are much easier to spot that way ;)

XonraJan 2, 201639 votes

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This is why wards are a thing. False roams are much easier to spot that way ;)

Less wards available is a thing as well. You can't ward every bush (especially not now), so that isn't a real excuse or answer. There are 4 obvious bushes from mid to bot just in the river area. It is very unlikely all 4 will be warded at the same time. They could also just simply be sitting behind the wall lip in dragon pit and you won't see them till you are walking that way. Multiple bushes (that are even less likely to be warded) if you don't take the river path that they could go to.

Aeolian MelodiesJan 2, 20165 votes

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But what if someone like zed is in that small bush in the River, and while your looking bot lane to aim your ulti, zed comes out of no where and one shots you before you can see what is happening.

item 3092 item 3363 / item 3340 Lux/Ahri's E

RatbertJan 2, 201626 votes

Yes just let me blow my only cc on ahri to facecheck one of 4 bushes.

MelledoneusJan 3, 201615 votes

Chogath "What's an 'assassin?'"

KnoyleJan 3, 201614 votes

Nasus "They're like wasps but they die faster"

ArchadriaJan 3, 20164 votes

Alistar They don't bother us in bot lane ever.

Qiy4naJan 3, 20161 votes

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But what if someone like zed is in that small bush in the River, and while your looking bot lane to aim your ulti, zed comes out of no where and one shots you before you can see what is happening.

troo

ArchadriaJan 3, 20161 votes

item 3102 item 3157 item 3137 item 3140 item 3026 item 3139 WE <3 Zed's

KhadaverJan 4, 20161 votes

As someone who plays assassins often i can confirm that i sit in that river bush waiting for them to follow me ;D

GenghisEmoJan 2, 20165 votes

If u have visual of target on map, yes. Otherwise, ull feed the assassin

lolptwoJan 2, 201628 votes

The best is when you're facing a TF and he ults down and kills people and people start raging at you. "WTF YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW HIM" lmao.

NommyPancakeJan 3, 20161 votes

Nah, they died because you forgot the "mia" ping :^)

Supreme Senpai69Jan 4, 20161 votes

If you see your laner TP a ping is appreciated D:

It won't do MUCH, but it's still nice to do. Every second counts and all.

NommyPancakeJan 4, 20161 votes

What do you mean TP? The post is talking about TF (Twisted Fate).

When he ults, there's a BIG EYE BALLS on every single enemy champion.

Ping won't do much as much if your teammates can't even notice those big eyeballs >.>

Supreme Senpai69Jan 6, 20161 votes

I... don't know what i was talking about actually. Heheh.

Actually xPekeJan 3, 20162 votes

"Why did you ping SS so late?" "Maybe because twisted fate teleports in 1.5 seconds"

StreetonJan 2, 201615 votes

ping 5 times Vayne :OMG no mia mid

HeadHonchkrowJan 3, 201610 votes

It's always Vayne.

ArchadriaJan 3, 20161 votes

summoner 4

Joe DreddJan 2, 201613 votes

not roaming on ahri ayy lmao friend, ayy lmao . you do know you can simply take a different path than them if you have the map even slightly warded. Or (HEAR ME OUT HERE THIS IS GONNA BE CRAZY) you go to the other side of the map.

RedCycloneJan 2, 201629 votes

I never implied that I don't roam I implied that i'm not going to follow an assassin who can make short work of me into the jungle

Joe DreddJan 2, 20164 votes

tbh, no assassin can really make short work of lux. If zed jumps on you just snare and walk away with shield lmao.

SaixosJan 2, 201623 votes

Zed can dodge the snare with his shadows or his ult. He uses blinks, not dashes. A lot of assassins can make short work of Lux if she lets them walk into their effective range, which bushes let them do quite easily.

RedCycloneJan 2, 201613 votes

Unless they are smart and will use their untargetability to bait out your Q Also factor in any harass damage done by them ect, it usually is suicide to go fight an assassin without no safeguards as a mage This is a fact

Penta PenguinJan 4, 20161 votes

Don't forget to breathe

Surr20plzJan 3, 20161 votes

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not roaming on ahri ayy lmao friend, ayy lmao . you do know you can simply take a different path than them if you have the map even slightly warded. Or (HEAR ME OUT HERE THIS IS GONNA BE CRAZY) you go to the other side of the map.

DONT U GUYS DARE DOWN VOTE THIS! I UPVOTED IT!

BECAUSE not roaming with ahri?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY LLLMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOO

Joe DreddJan 3, 20162 votes

ayyyyyy lmayonaise

Carpe VictoriaJan 3, 20169 votes

More importantly if they BACK and i PING MISSING ANYWAYS how the hell should i know where they went after that if they never came to lane? Most infuriating situation when a lane yells at you for not following someone you haven't seen for 2mins.

Faeri PinkettJan 2, 20167 votes

You can roam safely if you watch the path of your enemy laner is taking, You roaming down is not just to 'be suicide." You can use the chance to ward dragon pit and move into the fight to pick up any low hp kills. If their roaming i'm assuming its level 3 +? AT that point its quite easy to just push the lane then follow. Or go toplane and give them a gank. Lux has great ganks, Snare + sniper shot ult? duuude. Ahri has decent ganks, better at 6. You can follow your enemy by being safe, If their heading down - you know that means its a fight. But if you chose not to, you better sit mid, stall it and get Every cs that you can, then have a huge minion wave on your side bearing down on the enemy turret so that your enemy laner loses the farm.

RedCycloneJan 2, 201617 votes

Not every time is the jungle path warded, it's not that I wont go to help, it's that these people should have the sense to back off instead of expecting me to arrive at the same time the assassin does, I usually do follow after 10-15 seconds but often times that's too late and it becomes a waste of time going down there

Just saying that it's not a bad thing to keep in mid and continue to gain levels, where most people in these situations will call you a useless mid

A LiberalJan 2, 20167 votes

I understand that the midlaner can follow and not suicide... But couldnt botlane/ top just listen to pings as well? Like oh no fizz is coming... Maybe I'll fall back a bit. Wow look at that fizz is now useless, great gank, bye fizz.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 4, 20161 votes

It's usually 50/50 that mid doesn't ping or bot lane doesn't listen imo

ParaBellamJan 2, 20166 votes

I was playing a game as Shaco this one time, and we had a Lux mid and they had a Morgana mid. What happened was that their mid kept on roaming bot and into our jungle because they had a salty Khazix jungle that kept on invading. Whenever I went to steal a buff, that same Morgana would come along and help out their Khazix .

Our Lux never roamed, and it put our bot lane and myself in a deep hole because she was too busy doing jack shit while their Morgana was pretty much carrying the game for them.

If the enemy mid laner is clearly going bot lane, run through the jungle and at least toss a spell or two. Just the mere presence of you under tower can dissuade a tower dive and team fight.

RedCycloneJan 2, 201637 votes

Well following Morg really isnt the same as following Zed/Fizz/LB/Kassadin

invisiblecat1Jan 2, 20164 votes

Yeah that is more of Lux being stupid, but I mean she should know how shaco works, and how that he invades and kills well

MAestRIO1989Jan 3, 20163 votes

Following a Morgana that's ahead is still devastating. 10 hour stun followed by the pool and the ult and a magic damage shield to deny any reaction the Lux might have had.

MAestRIO1989Jan 3, 20163 votes

However the thing is this:

She might just have been losing lane. There's nothing wrong with that, it happens. What this causes is, especially with a Morgana ahead, she pushes hard and easy with the pool. Consequence: constantly being pushed makes you unable to roam. Because of this: you roam when being pushed = giving up cs you desperately need to get back, while you might roam and get nothing out of it and thus remain as useless as before the roam + losing tower damage.

I 'once' had a game in botlane. I was either Jinx or Ezreal (I don't remember), but what I do remember is my friend was playing Lux vs Zed . At some point Zed backed, then Lux did the same after another wave. When Zed came back he pushed and roamed bot. We warded (probably the support, but anyway) so we saw him coming, we played safe and right as he was about to leave, my friend Lux thought it was necessary to help. IT DIDN'T! Zed stayed, Lux stayed. I think for about 2 minutes. If she had just taken midlane, Zed would've left and botlane would have been fun again.

Honestly, when I play LeBlanc and I'm ahead, this is basic stuff: Get blue, push lane, fake a roam (make it so they absolutely see the direction you leave lane), sit in bush, wait and assassinate. That's why midgame I always carry a pink on me.

Or to give a example where I played Zed , which I almost never do. I roamed bot, they didn't know or react to pings, I got an easy double, and right then the midlaner arrived. I was happy to take the triple. AND I came back in a lane that was still not pushed towards my turret, so I don't remember, but I probably took the tower too.

So, to sum up: roaming just because your opponent roams, imho, a bad idea. You just warn, make him lose cs and hope my botlane reponds to my pings. And sometimes you don't have a choice but to stay in lane. It MIGHT be good to roam too. But that completely depends on the situation.

macromiteJan 3, 20162 votes

you know, if lux was smart she wouldn't have helped anyway, she would have been pressuring the shit out of towers. the way to counter a roam is to push, not to counter roam.

ValyrianBladeJan 2, 20166 votes

My general rule: If I'm say Ahri mid against a Zed and I see him roam bot lane, and I ping he's missing and danger bot lane only, maybe even type "zed headed bot", and they don't back off - it's 100% their fault.

If on the other hand I just notice Zed isn't in lane when he should be but I don't know which way he went? So I ping missing but that's it? My fault. You can't expect everyone else on the map to suddenly stop whatever they're trying to accomplish (e.g. immediately give up any advantage they may have) because you gave your opponent a free lane.

I don't even care if it's an assassin or what the case is to be honest. I don't care if following was practical and I could safely follow. If I KNOW which way he's going and warn you plenty in advance and choose to take the guaranteed advantage of turret damage and extra creep xp over an uncertain outcome fight (what if their jungler is going too, what if they outplay us, etc...) that's MY call.

Of course, if I choose to make that call, once I have that turret I should probably roam to the same lane later to get them rolling as well. Point is though, it's my choice to follow for a fight or to push advantage in my lane - I could have any reason for not wanting that fight.

jaymc1130Jan 2, 20161 votes

If you are allowing your opponent to wander around freely you aren't controlling the lane and are already losing the matchup. You should follow them if can't take the tower. Mostly because you're busy losing your matchup already and now you're gonna cause another lane to also lose if you don't. Don't allow your lane opponent to roam freely, control your lane.

A LiberalJan 2, 20168 votes

Im pretty sure "win your lane" isnt adaquate advice.

jaymc1130Jan 2, 20161 votes

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Im pretty sure "win your lane" isnt adaquate advice.

It really is actually. Only a losing lane enables an opponent to wander freely on roams. So no, this is actually perfect advice. Or at the very least control your lane appropriately.

Aeolian MelodiesJan 2, 201613 votes

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It really is actually. Only a losing lane enables an opponent to wander freely on roams. So no, this is actually perfect advice. Or at the very least control your lane appropriately.

disagree, many people who are losing their 1v1 lane start roaming to try and feed off the side lanes especially on assassins

jaymc1130Jan 2, 20161 votes

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disagree, many people who are losing their 1v1 lane start roaming to try and feed off the side lanes especially on assassins

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that farm or kills win games. They don't. Pressure does. Taking objs does. This is why assassins roam bot often. Not for kills or to catch up to the enemy lamer. It's done to apply pressure to a portion of the map that contains the most objectives with a tower, a buff, and drake all close. An assassin that applies more pressure than a passive lamer who won't leave his lane at the times he should be is an assassin that's likely to win the game because of the lack of game understanding displayed by his opponent.

A LiberalJan 2, 20168 votes

I mean I totally understand where you are coming from, and I agree that you probably should follow or at least try and keep eyes on the roaming assassin, but the very basis of your statement was flawed. You didn't provide any adequate advice, all you did was say something that is fundamentally known. Your original statement could be paraphrased as, "You're losing already, so go make sure they don't make somebody else lose. In order to not lose, don't lose." You basically just said "git gud" and that was that.