The penalty for picking a full auto attacking team is not high enough.

Jaygo41·5/22/2018, 3:52:45 AM·21 votes·8,212 views

There need to be more specifically auto attacking defensive items, as Thornmail, Randuins, and Tabi gets absolutely chewed through even as a full tank by Guinsoo's builds. Frozen heart seems like the perfect item to deal w/ it, but it's incredibly weak. A team with Kayle, Yasuo, Varus and Xin should be punishable with items, since their attack patterns are so similar.

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Sasogwa5/22/2018, 4:13:39 PM16 votes

Once upon a time full ad team meant the other team could stack armor and win. Nowadays with BC/lw/conqueror's etc. tankiness doesn't exist anymore. Cc still does though, which is why tanks can still be played

Salamencę5/22/2018, 4:13:38 PM7 votes

Rammus Malphite
item 3075 item 3143 item 3025 item 3047

They won't want to live after they see this.

Side note: on-hit builds will always do a lot of damage no matter what. Champions like kayle and kog'maw can't be built against, similar to vayne.

Mordepool5/22/2018, 4:41:19 AM6 votes

I agree. But I don't know how you would fix that issue without causing huge game imbalances

Battalion5/22/2018, 6:27:53 PM4 votes

Increase the frozen aura effects:

item 3082 item 3110

From 15% >> 25% when built into the final item. They're getting off 1/4th less auto attack, if it takes 8 autos to kill your full tank then it'll take now take 10 autos, that's a size-able improvement in my book.

Void Kaiju5/22/2018, 12:47:46 PM3 votes

Combo two of those with an adaptive helmet and you will find yourself lasting a lot longer. Guinsoos gives a boatload of magic damage on hit which is why it destroys conventional basic attack resist items.

AirKingNeo5/22/2018, 6:30:33 PM2 votes

Yasuo and Xin are not what you call 'full auto attackers' given Xin doesn't build Rageblade and Yasuo doesn't auto consistently because he'd be CCed into death for being in melee range.

hhaavviikk5/22/2018, 4:00:27 PM2 votes

there's a penalty?

Kanzler5/22/2018, 4:04:09 PM2 votes

Rammus

BobaFlautist5/22/2018, 6:54:26 PM2 votes

Auto attackers dps is much easier to interrupt than casters.

It's a double-edged sword, sure, but the team you listed is going to have a very hard time keeping in range to dps without getting engaged on. Ablility focused damage has much more potential for quick combos and ranged poke.

Pika Fox5/22/2018, 6:57:06 PM2 votes

The penalty is you literally have ramus and malphite who will hard counter your team, and you can just stat check via AR and HP. You also lack utility (ap champs have far more utility than AD).

Automated Riven5/23/2018, 1:47:07 PM1 votes

That is because riot has nerfed defensive items to hell and back across the entire history of league. However. All aa based champions Is punishable if your team actually stacks armor. This means more then just tabis on everyone.

Krytoric5/23/2018, 4:43:15 PM1 votes

had a Mundo kill me in 9 attacks while i was Varus with rageblade. He took 15 autos, my ult, my q, my e, got exhausted, and i had a soraka healing me.

Clearly there's a way to deal with them.

The Space Cowboy5/22/2018, 7:10:42 PM1 votes

There was a game in MSI where one team had 3 adcs and the other took ramus and took them to task 3v1. Also teemo or yasuo can punish the adc compositions well.

Malak5/22/2018, 8:40:43 PM1 votes

AGREE AGREE AGREE

The adcs and other auto attacking shit is really getting out of hand and buying defensive items does nothing unless your champion is inherently tanky.

420 grams5/22/2018, 9:47:36 PM1 votes

Are on hit melee fighters the problem or adcs getting the most viable build with 7k the problem? 🤔

LordGeovanni5/23/2018, 1:46:42 AM1 votes

I find it incredibly STUPID who ever thought of it. that they would nerf the base damage of Thornmail and completely scrap the damage reflection and put on an effect that slows down the attacker sure they gave it 250 hp but nerf it 20 armor while making it scale off of armor. In my opinion they should have never put grevious wounds on thornmails and put it on another new tank item (long overdue) with some actual stats that isnt a big detriment like item 3193.

Fullmetallic5/23/2018, 1:44:07 PM1 votes

The new item, spear of shojin

Kaioko5/22/2018, 4:06:55 PM1 votes

You counter all of those with CC and burst. All 4 of those champions are pretty similar in the sense that they deal high consistent damage but lack both the burst and the tankiness.

I guess you can argue that Xin can manage some burst but then that team would be REALLY squishy.

Snowman Arc5/22/2018, 4:01:30 PM1 votes

Well, getting Thornmail and Tabi is counter enough, honestly. Along with Randuin's .