Unpopular Opinion: I don't give a flying f*** about Mordekaiser.

Jaygo41·Oct 31, 2016·205 votes·7,205 views

I don't really care about your champ. He's a victim of absolutely horrendous design. He was shoehorned into a spot he doesn't belong. His pick rate is .15% and the only people that play him are die hard mains. I don't give a fuck about him. Whenever I see a discussion about something as broken as Rylai's Crystal Scepter and how this cancerous item has single handedly shaped the meta since the Mage Update, the first person to pipe up with ALL THE UPVOTES ON THE BOARD are the Mordekaiser players. I don't get it.

Gut the item. I don't care about your champ, he needs to be reworked into a not steaming pile of dogshit anyway.

185 Comments

xWatersOct 31, 201650 votes

Tbh I think it's cause of Malicious's memes and games presence. But, I remember reading that Morde was intended to work with very well with rylais, so if you gut rylais you make Morde even worse.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 201675 votes

Malicious metal also makes (in general) very good gameplay posts too. not just his M&G presence.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 31, 20166 votes

and often he has no idea what hes talking about. because he makes posts about champion he doesn't even play

PermabannedGarenOct 31, 201658 votes

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and often he has no idea what hes talking about. because he makes posts about champion he doesn't even play

To be fair, you're the guy who lies on the boards to get champions nerfed and are known to be a whiner.

You're not very credible either friend.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 31, 20165 votes

at least i play the game. you don't. yall are troll bots on this forum. you don't even play the damn game. don't judge me.

PermabannedGarenOct 31, 201637 votes

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at least i play the game. you don't. yall are troll bots on this forum. you don't even play the damn game. don't judge me.

I do play the game friend, which is how I knew your lying post was bullshit, which I mathematically proved.

I judge you because you're a bad person who is so pitiable that you'd lie about a video game to get a character you don't like gutted.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 31, 20161 votes

lmao. get the flick outta here. you have no idea what your talking about.

Only Play DariusOct 31, 201666 votes

Go flick yourself

Pierce The VealOct 31, 20168 votes

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Go flick yourself

Lol +1'ed

Pill SlingerOct 31, 20162 votes

You're trying to have a serious debate with a guy that is clearly trolling you lol. You do know this is pointless right lol?

EedatOct 31, 201626 votes

Think you missed the point. I think he means he doesnt care if it dumpsters Morde because Morde has a 0.15% pick rate. Rylais, on the other hand is abused on like half of all AP champs currently. Kind of a 'needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' type of thing

xWatersOct 31, 201616 votes

Yea I understand rylais being abused. Perma slowed by brand and Cassiopeia is absolutely horrible. I guess at this point you could maybe call it bad champion design if a champion needs an item to function?

GayFluffyUnicornOct 31, 20164 votes

Yup. That's why viktor will need another change once rylais gets a change. Viktor himself got balanced around this one item to hit his double E which is as you said bad champ design or a lazy one atleast

World EnderOct 31, 201643 votes

While your intentions may be right, your attitude is just horribly wrong. "I don't give a fuck about your champ" facilitates nothing but more hate. Your opinions are valid, but next time be a bit more respectful.

Ben SharpioOct 31, 20163 votes

Who cares about attitude rylais made season 6 absolute hell and you're telling me that you want rylais to stay untouched because of mordekaiser? ALL while cass/viktor/zyra and all kinds of mages and their fucking moms and dads are permaslowing me from 2000 miles away? NO THX, gut this item immediately and you improve the quality of life for 200x the players that DON'T play mordekaiser..

Ravenous HowlsOct 31, 20161 votes

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Who cares about attitude rylais made season 6 absolute hell and you're telling me that you want rylais to stay untouched because of mordekaiser? ALL while cass/viktor/zyra and all kinds of mages and their fucking moms and dads are permaslowing me from 2000 miles away? NO THX, gut this item immediately and you improve the quality of life for 200x the players that DON'T play mordekaiser..

Not sure why this got downvoted but this is absolutely true. The problem is not just Mordekaiser's abuse of the item but literally any DPS mage that can perma proc it's passive on you. As a predominately melee champ player this removes any and all counter play I have to reach a target. Making the game a frustration rather than a competitive joy.

Stars ShaperOct 31, 201624 votes

Mordekaiser isn't abusing the item. The item makes him playable.

Ravenous HowlsOct 31, 20164 votes

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Mordekaiser isn't abusing the item. The item makes him playable.

That in and of itself is problematic that a champion's whole identity/ability to be played is centered around a single item that makes or breaks them...

Dextix LTOct 31, 20163 votes

Well sorry that CertainlyT got his shitty hands on a champion and fucked him up! Go talk to him.

Ravenous HowlsOct 31, 20161 votes

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Well sorry that CertainlyT got his shitty hands on a champion and fucked him up! Go talk to him.

I am not here to bash on Morde. I am here to bash on the fact that Rylai's is a terribly unbalanced item and that Morde's success should not be predicated on Rylai's being strong. Thus I believe they should give him proper attention and treatment to make him viable outside of a single item.

Malicious MetalOct 31, 20166 votes

Well, Rylais should be to Morde what Black cleaver's to darius.

A way to make them stick.

If the slow was lower and Morde actually had the MS to stick it would be miles better than an entire 40% slow that gets mostly abused by long ranged mages.

Stars ShaperOct 31, 201613 votes

That's why each and every thread about Mordekaiser has these 3 options

Compensate Mordekaiser kit-wise or open other items to him (a manaless high HP and some AP is needed not just by him)
Cut Rylai offensive stat (aka AP) but keep the utility
Accelerate Morde rework priority so we cna finally have an healthy champion rather than working hard to get him unbeatable.

Ravenous HowlsOct 31, 20161 votes

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That's why each and every thread about Mordekaiser has these 3 options

Compensate Mordekaiser kit-wise or open other items to him (a manaless high HP and some AP is needed not just by him)

Cut Rylai offensive stat (aka AP) but keep the utility

Accelerate Morde rework priority so we cna finally have an healthy champion rather than working hard to get him unbeatable.

I agree with fixing Morde. He definitely needs a tlc love tap buff/ full VGU rework. But I am not wrong in saying Rylai's is a problematic item on Morde or some other dps mages like Zyra and Cass.

Malicious MetalOct 31, 20168 votes

Well, at least Morde's Melee, right? :^)

To be honest, lowering the slow that you can actually have a chance escaping while giving Morde some more MS would be the way to go.

I remember when it used to be a mere 15% slow I still managed to stick.

Then again Morde had 340 MS and FRONT UP burst rather than delayed three hit damage.

Oh well, we'll see what Riot's got in store for Rylais

SlythionOct 31, 201637 votes

While Malicious is a huge factor here on the boards, he isn't saying to leave Rylais alone, he's saying to not trash his champ (which is completely understandable). Yes, everyone knows that Mordekaiser is a poorly designed champion from a balance standpoint where he relies on a 1 or 2 items to be useful in the slightest (note: poorly designed from a balance standpoint does not mean he's poorly designed from a gameplay standpoint. He can be enjoyable, just not balanced).

If rylais was changed to be less oppressive, I don't think too many Morde mains would mind if Morde was given a slight slow as compensation.

ShaponjaOct 31, 20162 votes

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While Malicious is a huge factor here on the boards, he isn't saying to leave Rylais alone, he's saying to not trash his champ (which is completely understandable). Yes, everyone knows that Mordekaiser is a poorly designed champion from a balance standpoint where he relies on a 1 or 2 items to be useful in the slightest (note: poorly designed from a balance standpoint does not mean he's poorly designed from a gameplay standpoint. He can be enjoyable, just not balanced).

If rylais was changed to be less oppressive, I don't think too many Morde mains would mind if Morde was given a slight slow as compensation.

What about my poor fucking KogMaw

RebonackOct 31, 20162 votes

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What about my poor fucking

Kog is in more or less the same camp as Mord and Urgot.

Kit is a mess, needs a VGU, has to wait for Ryze's fourteenth remake first.

Malicious MetalOct 31, 201623 votes

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Still, I never said the Item doesn't need some changes, hell, every time I see Cassiopeia with it I'd just want to cry.

The thing is that if it does get changes, and it almost certainly will, Morde would require some pretty significant changes if he can no longer build Rylais or its efficiency gets nerfed.

Though the item's pretty much busted right now. 40% AoE slow, 100 frigging AP, which AP mage wouldn't want to build that?

Jinzo TorranceOct 31, 20163 votes

The ones before MYMU? Rylais wasn't a problem before it because there were better alternatives to it

MeritasOct 31, 20163 votes

I can't understand why the idea to add a Morde-specific item seems so bizarre to the public opinion. Let Rylai die and ask for that instead.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 201616 votes

Eh don't expect your post to stay upvoted

Irelia BotOct 31, 201620 votes

I think a lot of us are kinda past the point of valuing the "make mord great again" threads.

We saw what happens when you make mord great again.

ZT XperimentorOct 31, 20165 votes

That wasn't mordekaiser bottom carry, that as a tin can impersonating a death-knight.

Dextix LTOct 31, 20168 votes

That was not making mord great again, that was CertainlyT being off the leash again and being allowed to fuck around and experiment instead of doing what he was supposed to and fix a champion.

Handin Out NapsOct 31, 20163 votes

For every person who likes Mordekaiser, there are probably 3 more that really couldn't give a fuck. I think his post will stay upvoted.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 20162 votes

Apparently I was wrong

DaSarcasticGuyOct 31, 201616 votes

You do know that most morde mains are in favor of nerfing rylais right? Or at least nerfing it's offensive potential. They know rylais needs a nerf and they just don't want their champion to be dumpstered due to how dependant they are on rylais.

Teridax68Oct 31, 201612 votes

I might not have looked too deeply into Gameplay recently, but whenever I see a Morde thread that talks about Rylai's, whoever's making the thread usually agrees that Rylai's needs to change, even if the item ends up becoming less good on him. What they usually ask, though, is either for Mordekaiser to change so that he doesn't need Rylai's just to function (which is a fine request regardless of the discussion around the item), or for Riot to add another CC item for him and other tanky champions to use. I think Morde fans would largely agree with the core message of your post, even if they'd like Morde to receive some more love, no matter what happens.

KnalxzOct 31, 20169 votes

Wait wait wait wait wait, judging from your post it's bad that a champions best players are it's die hard mains? Can you really be mad at the "Galio main since beta" because he's smashing your lane? Would you prefer everyone only pick champions because they're flavor of the month?

Morde mains would love it if he didn't HAVE to a build an item to be useful all everyone would be happy if their champions didn't HAVE to do that but that's the world we live in. Riot tried changing him and they made a monster. Would you rather have that mixed damage ADAAPC again or just regular Morde?

You're also complaining about a champion that isn't even played much. What's next, you're going to try for Wukong and Aatrox nerfs?

RequiemsfireOct 31, 20168 votes

Many champions rely on Rylais to an extent but Mordekaiser is probably the only champion totally dysfunctional without it which is the result of a poorly designed champion more than anything else.

RebonackOct 31, 20166 votes

I'm all for people who main sub-0.2 pick rate champs trying to get their ideas across to Riot.

Riot typically has so little data on said champs that they don't seem to have any clue what to do with them (see: Mord). Maybe if Riot listened a bit more to suggestions by niche mains they might be able to rework said champs into something that the original players still enjoy that isn't a design dumpster fire?

JasiwelOct 31, 20166 votes

Major changes to an item should not negatively impact a champion to the point of becoming even less viable when already in a weak state. That is essentially what MM's threads are about regarding this topic.

Morde needs another rework though, and Rylai's effects should be bonuses to the champion, not an absolute essential or lose.

Handy Sandy Oct 31, 20164 votes

I'm not a morde main but some of the mains are just saying not to mess up Rylai's, and he's fine/balanced the way he is right now.

MordepoolOct 31, 20167 votes

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I'm not a morde main but some of the mains are just saying not to mess up Rylai's, and he's fine/balanced the way he is right now.

We are saying " if you gut the item compensation Buffs are Mandatory riot"

Jaygo41Oct 31, 20167 votes

JarvanIV Yeah my champ got 20 armor taken from him and the item he used nerfed in addition to having MULTIPLE champions come out that are highly "cockblocky" like Poppy Kindred Cassiopeia as well as the meta not being in his favor for over a year and a half now. But nobody's going to sympathize with me if i make a butthurt post about my champ being weak, because nobody cares about my champ.

Suddenly, if Mordekaiser is super weak, just making a thread about how he needs a change to be competitive or be reliable in solo queue gets you free upvotes here. It's fucking insanity.

I understand what groupthink is but at least try and put some thought into it before you mindlessly upvote. It's a discussion, not a thinktank.

MordepoolOct 31, 20168 votes

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Yeah my champ got 20 armor taken from him and the item he used nerfed in addition to having MULTIPLE champions come out that are highly "cockblocky" like as well as the meta not being in his favor for over a year and a half now. But nobody's going to sympathize with me if i make a butthurt post about my champ being weak, because nobody cares about my champ.

Suddenly, if Mordekaiser is super weak, just making a thread about how he needs a change to be competitive or be reliable in solo queue gets you free upvotes here. It's fucking insanity.

I understand what groupthink is but at least try and put some thought into it before you mindlessly upvote. It's a discussion, not a thinktank.

How about instead of bithcing you actually start making threads about J4 MeMe or otherwise to bring Attention to the overall shitty state he is in and offer ways to improve him Or track down bugs. You know something productive

Jinzo TorranceOct 31, 20161 votes

Something productive like bitching about getting obnoxious champion a spot in the game, clogging the boards for no reason because Riot isn't going to help problematic champ?

Do you want another J4, Lee, Vi meta? Or Morde pick/ban state back?

It's incredible how Morde Mains have 0 sense of balance regarding their champion, you think is fun playing as melee against Morde with the slows from Rylais? You think is fun losing a game because your Morde top got ganked early and became instantly a sandbag for your team because he can't get his slow from Rylais soon enough?

Dextix LTOct 31, 20162 votes

Then Riot should fix the champs their CertainlyT broke. It is simple.

Jinzo TorranceOct 31, 20161 votes

And Morde needs to be a special child because?

Can't he wait his turn for rework?