It is almost impossible to win lane against a heimerdinger. He has constant poke with his turrets so you can't walk up to CS. You cannot GANK him at all without taking a butt ton of damage. How can you lane against heimer? He pushes the lane way too fast as well. I don't get it.
Very Hard Engage9 votesthats the thing, he PUSHES LANE. thats soooo freelo, your sup walks up, your jungler with a gap closer walks over, DONE, dead heimer. you just camp him and punish him.
or you play a ranged champion instead of counterpicking yourself, at which point you take his free gold turrets.
doubleguac1 votesHonestly, Heimer can 2v1 most .laners/junglers if his ult is up. When I'm against Heimer, I straight up tell my jungler not to gank, since a lot of people underestimate how strong his turret nest is, and will give up kills.
That being said, Heimer is the definition of a one-trick pony. He only does one thing and he does it absurdly well. 90% of champions are going to lose if they try to fight him under his turrets. You just have to pick a poke champion. He's incredibly slow and easy to land skill shots on himself. And most skill shots substantially outrange his turrets. Hell, some adcs flat-out outrange his turrets with their auto attacks.
If you know you're against him, just pick a champion with consistent long range poke. He literally cannot do anything in a lane against someone like lux, xerath, ziggs, karma, etc., who all can take down his turrets easily and safely, and poke him out of lane.
I don't think he's well designed. But he does absolutely have counterplay. It just so happens that most of that counterplay happens at the champ select screen instead of in-game.
Vistha Kai6 votes
Nice turrets you got there...
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RasCaelestis2 votesI'd consider myself a fairly decent Syndra, and I agree completely. About two weeks ago I picked Syndra into Heimer and tried to do the old strategy of 'He puts a turret down, I put it away.' Problem was that he put a new one out just as fast as I could eliminate them. I wish I was exaggerating here, but I'm not. I didn't die to him and stayed pretty even in CS, but he still managed to shove the lane. This is mostly because he took TP/Flash and I had Ignite/Flash, but the fact that I -one of his supposedly hardest counters- could barely do anything to him was incredibly annoying. Every time I pushed the lane then recalled, he'd counter-shove the lane and I'd wind up back at square 1. I was going OOM constantly from dealing with the turrets and he stayed so far away from the minion waves that I couldn't reach him 90% of the time.
Don't get me wrong, I can definitely see how Syndra 'counters' Heimer, but it's a counter in the sense that you essentially both lose the lane rather than having one person win it decisively. You both end up behind and a detriment to your teams.
Vistha Kai1 votesThen you aren't actually "fairly decent Syndra". Your full build that game didn't even have Rabadon. If you couldn't reach him, then he was either out of his turrets range or you played extremely passive, in which case no wonder he could shove you.
RasCaelestis1 votesI didn't have Deathcap that game because I had the other two 120 AP items, Zhonya's and Echo. I wanted to get a Deathcap, but the other components of my build were more useful so I never ended up trading them out. I needed Athene's for mana regen and MR, Void Staff to deal with their full-tank Gragas, and GA because I kept dying instantly to the enemy Vayne and Poppy. With the GA, they seemed to forget about me and I could hope to survive long enough for me to get my whole combo off. Otherwise, it wasn't happening.
I did not play passively at all. I was incredibly aggro (more than I actually felt safe being) even with the enemy Gragas hanging around mid. I warded and never died to his ganks, but each time they allowed Heimer to regain ground. In addition to this, I know my jungler from that game. He's a nice guy, but if there was a division lower than Bronze V, he'd be there. Guy tunnels more than Rek'Sai, feeds more than Helmet Bro, and is just as blind as Lee Sin when it comes to map awareness. I know how risky it is to gank a Heimer, so in that game I asked him to avoid mid and help the other lanes. Any other jungler, I'd have asked for help, but in this case I actually had a better chance alone.
Also, if you mean staying out of range of his turrets as 'playing passively' then I guess I was. I went in when I could and threw them away whenever my W was on CD, but my Q/E combo was the only way I could ever reach him without taking more damage than I dealt. That also caused me to go OOM really quickly even after getting Chalice, and recalling put me back at square 1, under my tower. Heimer used TP only to go back to his own lane, never go bot or top with it, and if I left lane to gank, it basically meant my own tower falling. In hindsight that might have been an acceptable sacrifice, but I didn't want to risk it. In addition, my own bot and top were doing alright and ganking would not have been of much use.
I am not denying that I could have done things better, but at the time everything I did made sense. It may seem odd or hard to believe for someone who was not there, but it can all be rationalised.
Vistha Kai1 votesWell, you could or rather should swap Luden's for Rabadon's. With your build you had around 415 AP from items and runes. With Rabadon you'd have 540 AP with the same setup.
The point is, you don't "throw them away". You throw them AT HIM. Misposition turrets while poking Heimer. If you hit him with the turret drop a Dark Sphere for the good measure and you will poke him even more while dealing with the turret you threw. Of course it's mana intensive, you just wasted quarter of Heimer's health with minimal loses on your part (if you lost health to his other turrets you just need to "git gud" at positioning). If he tried to counter that with rockets or stun he lost way more mana than you did. He has no sustain in an unfavourable matchup. Exploit that.
LegitBacon661 votesAttack turrets and not poke? Ok then
Vistha Kai1 votesUse his own turrets to poke him.
Abyssphere5 votesYou don't need to win lane against everyone. Just farm up and do much better late.
MugyvrNinja2 votesThis is a true story v_v Hmmhmm yes...
Matezoide4 votesHe is a lane bully. Farm under your turret and become more useful later in the game because Heimer does no damage outside of his turret nest.
DanofDemacia4 votesHe is a lane bully. Farm under your turret and become more useful later in the game because Heimer does no damage outside of his turret nest.
xD no damage outside of his turret nest ur a half wit. His r+w one shots people.
Rico Nasty3 votesOH MY GOD THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. Whenever I say this, people yell and scream at me just because Heimerdinger is difficult to lane against.. can we just tweak something about him? Maybe remove is spammable turrets and give them longer CDs? Or his ridiculous damage output?
Nucleophilic atk3 votesI'm not going to repeat the couple of things that people have said to do well in lane against him. Instead, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say that you can't win lane against him. I will then say that Heim is ass in team fights and you should be able to outshine him then. Having a good lanning phase doesn't always mean you need a nerf, especially when there are things you can do to tone down that lanning phase.
WalkingInACircle3 votesNo you just kill his turrets when he first sets them up. When its just one turret you don't take that much damage killing it.
Playing Wukong against Heim is like a whackamole, one turret one Q.
Celestial Lion121 voteswhats really fun is 
against him he just gives you tons of mobility with his turret since you can one shot the with q
LegitBacon662 votesI mean the fact that they target you automatically and when heimer is attacking on you. You can't just walk up to Q it when you have 2 other turrets
commit an hero2 votesBut that's the thing, that is all the Donger has. All of his power budget is spent on lane control. Yes, I do agree he is annoying a fuck to lane against. But that's just what he does, mid-late his turrets are garbage.
LegitBacon661 votesI mean if he automatically wins lane then how would it not guarantee him free roams and more kills snowballing the rest of His team? He still has abilities other than his turrets
Sona Ping1 votesBecause he doesn't automatically win lane and he is terrible at roaming either way.
LadyRenly2 votesMid-Heimer
Top-Nasus
GG, you have 2 insta lost lanes
MugyvrNinja1 votes Google it
Craft Zeppelin1 votesplay syndra or malzahar. As syndra you chuck the turret into your turret casually like into a garbage can. or you can place one somewhere really far so he would waste its stack.
As malz, your crab will do all the dirty job for you tanking it like a boss and csing all the minions and then biting heim's head off.
Zazusha1 votesfuk u and ur malzahar xD. hate fighting him as heimer.
Provengreil1 votesWe see this thread once a week, how does 
never get mentioned? Just yell at his turrets for a while and you'll notice you seem to be winning for some reason. Bonus points if doing the toplane with smite thing, Sion gets so much out of cinderhulk
Buttigieg 20201 votesBecause ofc you would play sion mid vs heimer. Think before you type.
Provengreil1 votesI've seen heimer top more than mid and....yes, actually. I would, if heimer picked first. Removing heimer's only strength, lane control? yes please.
v2l4Gz1bQu1 votesIdk I beat him in lane with yasuo lol, with constant jungle gank from the enemy team so, idk how I won the lane. but we lose the game
NemeBro1 votesIdk I beat him in lane with yasuo lol, with constant jungle gank from the enemy team so, idk how I won the lane. but we lose the game
I used Yasuo against Heimer once and did pretty well. We had equal levels of farm and all throughout laning phase I hadn't died once, and just sort of accepted I probably wasn't going to be able to kill him. Didn't lose my turret either, because as Yasuo it's not too hard to counter push and keep him away.
It was a pretty boring laning phase, but I didn't lose and outscaled him, so I'd say I did well.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesHeime is one of the squishiest champions in the game, you have to dive him (this does not work, if you are squishy too). His natural counter is the long range. ADC like Cait and AP mids like Xerath don\t care about his turrets. I pick him mid vs Fizz and LB, because he destroys them.
ImFlutterShy1 voteslol bronze players are complaining about heimer+riven
RasCaelestis1 votesIf you're going to complain about Bronzies, post on an account that's at least higher than level 10. It just makes you look even worse.
ImFlutterShy1 votesIf you're going to complain about Bronzies, post on an account that's at least higher than level 10. It just makes you look even worse.
my main account is permabanned from boards.
Old Man Teeto1 votes