Kennen does Teemos job better than Teemo does

DeusVult··44 votes·12,963 views

Both are top lane ranged champs that abuse their range vs melee matchups to create a CS discrepancy. Both have a MS increase to disengage. Both are Yordles that most top lane players would like to choke out rather than hand shake.

The thing is that Kennen simply does this job better than Teemo. Kennen has more auto range (550 to 500). Kennen E gives 100% MS and ghosts him for 2 seconds, then gives him 4 seconds of bonus AS to hit the champ that tried to engage him. It also scales down to a 6 second CD. Teemo W gives 10%-26% movespeed passively, as long as you havent been hit in the last 5 seconds. Activating it doubles said movespeed for 3 seconds. It has a static 17 second CD.

Teemo uses his "CC" blinding shot to help disengage, which blinds the enemy (one of them) from autoing, scaling from 1.5 seconds to 2.5 seconds. Kennen passive stuns at 3 marks for 1.25 seconds. IMO a stun is generally more powerful than a blind. Kennen can also apply this to multiple people.

Teemo ult has been lack-luster ever since the introduction of item 3364 and when it had a large damage nerf. It can be quite annoying and can create some hilarious moments, but against players who know how to counter it, teemo ult falls short. By comparison Kennen ult can be used for engage, disengage, and zoning. With just one item ( item 3157 ) Kennen can change a teamfight, or simply use it during a gank to stun both enemies and get away.

Finally, in a bunch of matchups, ranged laners like to take klepto so as to create a larger gold lead over their melee counterpart. Teemo cannot use klepto; his E cannot proc it, his W is his disengage and has a large CD, and spamming Q makes him go OOM. Kennen can easily go klepto because he is an energy champ so he can use Q to proc it, W max goes down to 6 second CD, so more klepto spam.

Kennen and Teemo share a similar niche. Kennen is simply better at doing what Teemo does, which is sad as Teemo is known for being a champ that annoys top lane champs.

36 Comments

RebeccaUCuber13 votes

Teemo no longer counters ppl like garen or darius :/

Aatrox Airlines3 votes

Teemo with phase rush shits on them, they cant even approach him

RebeccaUCuber1 votes

Sorry but i've never seen a single Teemo playing with phase rush...i usually see Darius with Ghost or Phase Rush. Try to run away from it!

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

Ipav999, a high elo teemo onetrick streamer, is a great example. Xblotter as another. Thats just to name a few.

CaptainAntiHeroz10 votes

What will become of Tenmo Player rip

SuicidePlank11 votes

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What will become of Tenmo Player rip

They merge with Vlad and Kennen Players.

Jerry SeinfeId6 votes

as a teemo player i will never associate with vlad players, they disgust me.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M3 votes

Thank. At least if you properly all in a teemers he can die, vlad just sustains through everything and is never in 100-0 range b/c his healing from Q is ridiculous

Captionbubbly8 votes

Honestly, Kenney needs hard base nerfs, I’ve seen smurfing challenger streamers die while 3k gold ahead to his burst, but he doesn’t just have burst he has poke and cc. I literally played a game where a first time Kennen spammed all his abilities and died to me like 4 times in a row for wasting his escape to proc his klepto was DOWN 40 ca and couldn’t still poke me (a juggernaut) down to half health in 3 seconds AND was ahead of me in gold AND could 1v1 anyone other than me, even though I left him in lane 0/7 he was insanely more useful than me, did more damage then me in team fights, all while being a safe, heavy poke champion in lane. Kennen onetricks make me sad because I know they have no life to abuse that shit, why play a game where it isn’t even a challenge to win anyways. And his recent “nerfs” need hotfixing, after first back he’ll most likely do more damage then he did before. It’s unfair and unfun seeing him in games considering how safe he is a champion, how oppressive he is as a laner, how much burst he has compared to other assassins as he builds cheaper items, and how teamfight oriented he is as a RANGED toplaner, where as every other ranged toplaner sucks in team fights to counteract their oppressiveness (would u rather have 2 adc’S or a tank to defend one adc?) Kenney needs hard nerfs, I have no doubt in my mind that Kennen mains would still have a above 50% winrate i riot literally just removed one of his abilities (excluding escape and ult aslong as ult still stunned if it was his passive that got removed)

Eonslegacy1 votes

That's more a problem with klepto than kennen he got a lucky tripple or quad gold sack then was stronger than you gold wise. Kennens base damage is on par with most champs that are ranged. He just has a lot of anti melee punishing abilities from his e proc hotbox to the enhanced auto applying a charge. This allows him to auto wait w then e whenever he gets jumped on to escape as opposed to a Syndra that has to wait then time a qw. Also he is resourceless and riot has made hitting spells more important than which spell you hit due to runes like cheap scortch elec and comet pricing on any spell as long as conditions are met. Riots made gold per lvl significantly higher than before so lvl based champs are weaker than gold based ones. Kennen needs that protobelt the faster he gets it the less punishment window he has. Ah but he is such a good climb champion I dislike being forced to play him go get ours certain elos.

Hi im 125 votes

probably because teetos base stats are so fucking insane eh? well the answer to this issue is that we remove both from the game :)

DeusVult2 votes

teemo and kennen base stats are almost identical, with Kennen having 50 more range, 5 more MS, and slightly more armor, while Teemo has more AS and early AD (kennen ends with higher base AD)

They have identical base damages, but Kennen has 4 skills that do damage while Teemo has 2 1/2, with his ult being unreliable and easily countered

Hi im 121 votes

yes lets ignore teeto having 400g worth of offensive stats on kennen early :)

Sageace4 votes

Kennen does a better job than Teemo because he's a ninja and Teemo's just a scout.

Scout's go into enemy territory to "scout" it out.

Kennen goes into enemy territory to massacre them ninjastically.

I tell you, Teemo needs a new identity.

Toxic Teeto3 votes

Teemo is a garbage champion. No idea how anyone can have a problem with him in lane.

And yes I play only Teemo.

LPelican 2 votes

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Ahri Baka1 votes

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Teemo is a garbage champion. No idea how anyone can have a problem with him in lane.

And yes I play only Teemo.

No Bias at all lmao

AlterMordred2 votes

Soooooo lets nerf Kennen :D

Nobody likes the champion, champ isnt hard to play, extremely rewarding, hardly any counterpicks

Also I have never once seen a Kennen run out of energy, so either the Kennens I play against are 'good' or the champions energy costs are hilariously low

Mordistar2 votes

Kennan's job is to win teamfights, Teemo's job is to control the map with shrooms. I don't see the comparison other than they are both oppressive ranged top laners that have their strengths and weaknesses....

Eonslegacy2 votes

Riot has stated before they keep certain champs weak to keep pro play fair. Teemo and tryndamere and a few others are great examples. Teemos power budget is actually put in his Shrooms free vision that it gives. Hints why he is called the scout. Riot stated if he was ever good, he would always be pick or van just because of the free global vision and objective control. He invalidates sneaking and can instagib enchanters supports that step on a Shrooms or two. I don't like this design decision but it's why kennen the diving mage is allowed to be stronger than teemo the Swift scout.

DeusVult1 votes

item 3364

Eonslegacy1 votes

You actively see them being cleared instead of you wards. I understand that it's easy to clear them, but clearing them and his and his teams wards is hard and also signals where your team is at even if they are gone. But if you don't clear them, you risk TP plays and such from them or someone dying from one on the way out of a baron pit. It's a way to exceed the ward cap, shaco and maokai get shafted by the vision balance too. And theirs last half as long.

Spooky Skeleton2 votes

Neeko Is better than Kennen aswell. So double powercreep on poor little Teeto. Atleast he used to have good ap scaling, now he kinda just has nothing. His shrooms did WAY more damage, lasted longer and he could have more out iirc? Even if you got shit on in lane you could have a good time with him shrooming around, at the very least forcing the enemy team to waste 300g buying oracles elixir.

Yea Teemo used to be a terror, but that was several seasons ago when the overall powerlevel and mobility was significally lower. Now he just feels like a relic of the past with no place or purpose, which is sad for the little guy.

Cloud2732 votes

I agree Kennen is strong, but I don't think he's stronger than Teemo. Anyways, there isn't really any skill involved with getting his stun. He literally just runs into you, uses all his abilities and voila, free stun. I guess he still has to land his 'q', but he's manaless so he can literally just spam 'q' all day until he finally hits one. Then all you have to do is just dash in and use the rest of your abilities for free stun.

Ionian Vulpix1 votes

Make Kennen into a mid laner again

Turn Teemo into a jungler so he can actually fill the "Scout" role with his shrooms.

hiyares1 votes

honestly in terms of the 1v1 in lane matchup teemo is just more annoying to deal with kennen has a massive aoe stun okay cool but realistically teemo has better poke becasue its a dot that can proc aery or comet. has free protection in lane with shrooms. i find teemo a little more oppressive in lane as a melee becaue he can also deny cannon with his blind. kennen on the other hand you would need to proc your passive and all in to stun. ohh also also teemo poke is targeted so unlike kennen autos are his main form of poke since he cant just throw skills through minions.

NelsieLisnen1 votes

Ooo...k. But why compare him to Kennen? No one would deny Teemo is bad regardless of what champ you compare him to. But for the sake of comparison why not bring up stuff like Jayce and Neeko the hellspawned chameleon? They make Teemo seem even more irrelevant than Kennen does. Eh I guess the message is the same. Rework the yordle scout from hell.

Kovorix1 votes

And I thougth Teemo his job was being a mobile ward?

Quil Evrything1 votes

Tankmo+skill beats kennen. But it's difficult.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

The biggest nerf to Teemo has been mobility creep. Used to be that his range and movespeed boost was enough for top lane, but now that so many top laners and junglers have dashes all over the place, he's just a sitting duck in most matchups.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Kennen and Teemo don't even have the same role in a team, how are you gonna compare Kennen's ult to teemo's when they are meant for two completely different purposes. It would make more sense to compare teemo to jax and kennen to neeko.

Carteeeer1 votes

Teemos ult def needs some kind of a buff, even in bronze its common knowledge to buy item 3364 which completely counters teemo ult

Summoner SpeII1 votes

keenen is countered by yasuo hard, but teemo counters yasuo hard

Sillae1 votes

Teemo counters Yasuo?

Teemo, a squishy, relatively slow Marksman Mage who's blind doesn't even stop Yasuo Q because it's "not an auto attack" even though Shen and Pantheon block it. His entire kit gets eaten up by windwall.

Don't get me wrong, a good Teemo can totally style on a Yas, but that's mostly around the fact that Yasuos tend to suck at their champ, and if he's poked down by mushrooms before he can engage he can't do that much. They don't seem to like getting item 3364

The Kombinator1 votes

They have 2 different jobs later on. Kennen is an all-in let's fuck the whole team. Teemo is more flexible. He could try the same, and put shrooms into the enemy, or help team with vision through mushrooms, and give some early harass with it, or play as another adc, or just splitpush.

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