I don't think it's a healthy design as is, but when the entire game can turn because of one person going afk or a throw, and this happens...yeah I think it's pretty non-interactive
Penns47 votescounterplay
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adcs
you wish lul
Tails901614 votesOutplay the cursor kiddos
Pretty simple stuff, I recommend dc'ing
GigglesO4 votesWe could always make tank items stronger...
Bronze Demon4 votes.
you wish lul
its called assassins, but at this point they dont exist
0 Hogapu17 votesYeah it reminds me of 
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"Beat him before level 6" they said
IPERFECTO13 votesBut that's exactly you mistake here, as team. You had earlygame teamcomp and made this game go to late against HARDSCALING teamcomp(cho,kassa,kog+lulu),you should've know that if you won't end it early it would mean you'll lose automaticly
nice table25 votesin what world is janna+jinx+tf+ww an "early game comp"?
Asayake 5150glow2 votes[{quoted}](name=nice table,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uR2vfEmN,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-09-16T11:40:08.598+0000)
in what world is janna+jinx+tf+ww an "early game comp"?
Well I guess it's mostly the WW + Pantheon, and while WW is strong early, he's not mobile enough to gank a bot lane with CC and will usually melt before he reaches them.
nice table8 voteseh as someone with 300 WW games i can tell you that this is wrong, WW doesn't fall off (well depends on the build) and ganking bot lane is one of his favorite passtimes.
Thefrostyviking2 votesTf is bad at straight fights compared to most mages, he is more of a "catch people" kind of champ.
Jinx and janna are inferior scaling wise to lulu+kog.
WW is inferior to cho.
Panth scales like a rock, only gets worse.
Thus, looking at it your team was quite outscaled.
You didnt have a single lane that was better lategame wise compared to the other team. Not to mention having a frontline like cho is the dream of any marksman, especially against a team with no flankers.
Sire Hippington6 votesSorry, but the days where hypercarries had a bad early are over for quite some time. Kassa can trade decently into twisted early as he needs to get into Q range for decent harras, and post 6 it slightly swings towards kassa in the 1v1, and with 1+items, blue and lvl 11, Kassa already is online. Kog Lulu is an rather opressive lane, and it's been deomnstrated in proplay often enough that Kog has by no means a weak laneing and already comes online after one item. J4 also is a rather strong early champ Cho only is vulnerable to ganks early, his 1v1 is very strong, especially vs someone like pant. He can outsustain the poke, get early tank items to survive the all in and punish pant for not haveing defensive mobillity with his hard hitting CC spells, and past 6, any engage from pant on cho might be suicidal. That hardscaleing comp simply also has a good early. Sure, not impossible to beat for the other comp if they use their double global+ WW right they can snowball, but if this was a soloQ match, i see little hope for them really pulling that off.
General Esdeath 1 votesOnly early person is Panth, and even he can be good late game with certain builds.
IPERFECTO1 votesOnly early person is Panth, and even he can be good late game with certain builds.
Show some And as i said, they're falls off COMPARED TO ENEMY TEAMCOMP,means that THEY MIGHT BE NOT USELESS LATEGAME, BUT STILL WILL DO LESS IMPACT THAN ENEMY'S,don't compare cho's late power to panth,or kass with tf, or KOG+LULU AGAINST JINX(full build kog will beat the shit out of her)
General Esdeath 1 votesShow you? I don't exactly play Panth so I can't show you video of it. Think of him late as more of an armor shredding CC type with decent damage.
IPERFECTO1 votesNo need to video, just link item build here.Because only idea i can have is 
with some mixed bruiser stuff, but with teamcomp they have you wouldn't do much as panth in late i guess(
).But still it's fact that it was actually your(not your personal, but as team) mistake by not being able to end it early.When they had so much late game potential
General Esdeath 1 votesPanth in general not just specific to this game. A good build I saw was 
IPERFECTO1 votesIt's tank panth, and he's nowhere usefull lategame as damage dealer, kog will manhandle this guy in a matter of seconds(he has no mr, don't care much about crits,and he won't have enough dmg to kill kog)
General Esdeath 1 votesI said shredding with decent damage. For a squishy it's a decent chunk of HP from spears (E) and autos plus Q, and the sunfire damage/thornmail damage is nice too.
IPERFECTO1 votesLifesteal and will negate it completely, then panth dies
General Esdeath 1 votesHe didn't have lifesteal, and we CC'd Lulu a few times.
DuskDaUmbreon9 votesLook at their team comp compared to yours. You had a Pantheon, they had 3 late-game powerhouses.
And the counterplay to an ADC is to blow them up. You can kill a Kog'maw easily, since he's as squishy as Vayne, but has no self-peel or noteworthy CC, and is all but immobile. The first two hits from Mordekaiser's Q will kill him. I know this from personal experience.
GayFluffyUnicorn9 votesShow me how you easily kill a kog with a lulu and a cho gath in your face. Please a lot of people in d3 can't do this anymore but i'm sure random board member #12 has his challenger secrets how to achieve such feat.
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesI didn't say it was easy. I was saying why he lost.
With his comp, the only hope for them killing Kog'maw was for Pantheon or Twisted Fate to surprise him from a bush. He lacked any champion capable of closing to him easily and bursting him. If he had had Talon, Akali, or Zed (the only three assassins I can think of that could get past their comp), or someone like LB or Ahri, his odds would have been pretty good, assuming he closed before Cho'gath got fed. The lack of that got him killed.
I was talking specifically about Kog'maw, however. Not Kog'maw with a Lulu. The only hope there is...well...a miracle. If you have someone like Xerath, who could possibly kill Lulu from long range, the odds would have been pretty good. But, with that comp...? No way.
Against Lulu, you have to kill her if she ults someone else. That's her counterplay. If she keeps someone else alive, you blow her face up. Just like if the enemy team has an overactive Soraka.
Cho'gath, his only real weakness is ban phase. Barring that, you have Vayne and Fiora. Without those...Nasus or Veigar, maybe? Maybe a Sion? Possibly a heavily-stacked Kindred? Without those...your only hope is to split-push them to death. Cho'gath's turret-taking powers leave a lot to be desired, at least.
And, as I said, to beat Kog'maw, just have someone jump in his face and nuke him. He's on the same defensive tier as Kindred and Vayne, but has no mobility, making him the weakest to burst there is. Even Sona has more durability than Kog'maw, and she's made of tissue paper.
You just have to find some way to combine these three things into one team. Someone like Akali will help a lot against Lulu and Kog'maw, as long as you get the W down before Lulu polymorphs you, since she's not locked into bursting one champion, meaning if Lulu ults Kog, she can burst Lulu, or visa versa.
MrryZ5 votesI didn't say it was easy. I was saying why he lost.
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You can kill a Kog'maw easily,
machette1519769 voteswhy is this garbage being upvoted lol "but when the entire game can turn because of one person going afk or a throw, and this happens...yeah I think it's pretty non-interactive" "My adc ran from every fight. Even when WW ulted the Kog my Jinx just turned around or shot Cho'Gath."
hold up what???
Sulghunter6 votesIsn't that the POINT of Kog'maw? You actually have to beat him before a certain time.
General Esdeath 3 votesThat's almost any adc.
Ahris1 votesThat isn't s good way to balsnce. Kogmaw is strong right after he gets bork. Riot buffed adc's midgame reslly hard that they can do great damage despite being very behind.
I was 2-13 or something and I won trade against 9-3? Lux. All i did was auto and i chunked her lol. So much for lategame adcs.
Sulghunter1 votesWell, that doesn't say much, your encounter with Lux. Did you manage to dodge her kit/did she flub her skill shots? If so, then, she sort of deserves to be defeated. If not, if you face tanked her entire kit and lived, then yes, there is a problem.
Ahris1 votesFace tanked her Q if I remember right and killed her when she was casting her ultimate.
I just did SOO much damage. In just a few autos I killed Lux which is just broken. If I am behind, I should at least need to do like 20 autos.
ZephyrDrake1 votesFace tanked her Q if I remember right and killed her when she was casting her ultimate.
I just did SOO much damage. In just a few autos I killed Lux which is just broken. If I am behind, I should at least need to do like 20 autos.
what? first if a Lux is that close to you that you are able to auto her when she lands her Q she is being a moron. Second, 20 autos? on a champion that builds 
as her only armor item? and next to no HP? sorry but what? you are building AD and things that increases your autos damage! there is no "if i am behind i should have to use 20 autos to kill a squishy champion" that is called being lvl 9 with one or two items completed when the enemy is lvl 18 at almost max build.
Ahris1 votesMy autos are 710 range and that is as long as some APC's ability or longer. I only had blade of ruined king. I just think ADC should be sustained DPS and not like deal so much damage without being ahead.
TotalJerk5 votesThe counterplay is to also have an ADC.
redniwediS4 votesThere's more than a few roles where near unstoppable snowballs can happen right now, and it always seems to involve champions with built in tank shreading. Doesn't even seem to matter if they are facing tanks or not, it just seems to be something about their kits or their item paths that I haven't figured out quite yet. That's just my experience as a lowly juggernaut player though.
General Esdeath 3 votesBecause your role/champ becomes invalid. It's a build based on %HP damage and attack speed, which means every champ takes the same amount of hits to kill. It invalidates classes and items.
Mordepool4 votesLowly no sir. You carry that chip on your shoulder with pride
It's a Juggernaut life for us
C9 Squeeky 3 votesUh yeah, your team needs to focus them first in a fight, especially Kog'maw since he is immobile (even more so if his flash is down). Have a more balanced team fight comp or play to your actual win condition: You have Pantheon + TF, so you should be 1-3-1 split-pushing and both TF/panth have semi-global ults so they are supposed to separate the enemy team by threatening towers in both side lanes then use their semi global to join the team in a fight. Should've been easy for TF to ult bot at lvl 6 because he pushes harder than Kass and keeps him under turret. Even easier if WW joined him with ult, Kog would be put behind. Your team obviously has no idea how to play their comp.
Rivuo2 votesBecause you dont have an adc on your team right.?
Looks like you got out comped. I can guarentee if you took both adcs out of the match you guys wouldve got stomped. The fact that jinx did that much damage against cho jarvan and kass is sickening.
xelaker2 votesbecause the image you put is the average for all games, across all skill levels... do ya'll get friction burns with all this jerkin'?
General Esdeath 1 votesI'm a seasoned jerker :^)
xelaker1 votes:0
ZephyrDrake2 votesyou had an early game teamcomp that falls off insanely as the game goes on... the only thing you had that was considered a late game champion is a Jinx and from the graph alone i can say that she wasn't very good. On the other hand the enemy had 3 late game champions which all have questionable and exploitable early games if you know what you are doing... and you let it go to the late game? and you are surprised that the late game focused comp beat you in the late game? and somehow are blaming ADCs... i mean if ADCs have so little counterplay as you say they have why isn't your Jinx's damage about the same as Kog's? she scales just as hard as Kogmaw, if not harder than him.
All this tells me is that you failed to win at a time where your teamcomp had the advantage, failed to get any sort of significant advantage and then got destroyed by actual tanks (one of which can essentially insta kill most people on your team) and two massive damage threats when the late game came. There is nothing to see here
This Is Your Dad1 votesYour adc got countered.
General Esdeath 2 votesMy adc ran from every fight. Even when WW ulted the Kog my Jinx just turned around or shot Cho'Gath.
bloodybadger120 votesisnt this your answer?
Velzard of Koz5 votesOr the fact he directly mentoined afk and throw in the post. But that's somehow ignored.
Marshbouy1 votesmuh adcs have not counterplay loool
The Trent1 votes[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uR2vfEmN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-16T06:11:00.918+0000)
Your adc got countered.
To be fair, Riot said they never wanted to end up like Dota. In Dota, champion counter picks are HUGE. 50% of Dota is the champ select. They even have a planning map that you use while you're picking and banning. It's pretty whacky. Riot said they never wanted to be like that, they want any champ to be viable in any game. It shouldn't have mattered if their adc got countered.
This Is Your Dad1 votesI think I may have been uh. Misinterpreted. I mean the other adc countered your adc. :/
