Before you nerf duskblade. Consider the following.

Craft Zeppelin·Jul 15, 2017·1 votes·701 views

Within this patch. What I believe is that duskblade offers to be a very good first or second buy for assassins. It is built with the best components, stats and ad needed for that class.

But shortly enough I bet we will be facing the problem we have been having for a year. Which is of course adcs buying lethality items. Something about this needs to be addressed fast enough unless you justify it by something radical like releasing a lethality scaling ranged assassin. It would be a problem again.

12 Comments

ZT XperimentorJul 15, 20172 votes

The simple solution would make it melee only . . . but riot is allergic to common sense. Perhaps if it scaled off of base AD instead of total or bonus, it'd discourage marksmen from using it since they rely on getting AD items.

SdarsJul 15, 20172 votes

I don't think adcs buying lethality is a problem. Usually it's inferior on adcs because they rely less on abilities. Exception would maybe be miss fortune, as her ult is a huge deal. If assassins seem balanced but adcs are abusing the items, then that's a problem with adcs and the meta surrounding them being so overbearing that assassins need overtuned items to stay relevant, and that should get fixed along with the items.

ZT XperimentorJul 15, 20171 votes

Doesn't lethality also apply to abilities that modify auto-attacks (such as ashe's rapid shot)? I agree about marksmen being one of the problems, they've had the trend of abusing items meant for different classes for years, but riot continues to pamper them most.

SdarsJul 16, 20172 votes

It does apply to those abilities, but generally adcs rely much more on aa's than assassins, who rely more on abilities. Lethality works a lot better on abilities with high base physical damage than on basic attacks. Especially if the ability has a low ad ratio.

The game is at a ridiculous point where if assassins don't 1 shot the adc, the adc can then proceed to outburst the assassin with 2 basic attacks.

Damages need to be lowered across the board and assassins need to have better ways of dealing with priority targets other than just "instaburst the carry or be useless".

Kamara33Jul 15, 20172 votes

Did Lucian even build Lethality before this patch? I think he stopped building Youmoo's months ago.

Definately agree on MF needing tweaks.

I'm not sure I mind Lucian in the mid-lane. I don't think he's a great adc and I don't know how he could be made better in the role without making his sololanes even stronger.

Sir FuzziJul 15, 20171 votes

What do you suggest they do about it? They're itemizing it for the same reasons.

Craft ZeppelinJul 15, 20172 votes

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What do you suggest they do about it? They're itemizing it for the same reasons.

Well for a start I say we make lethality scale more mildly with ranged champions to stop this endless rotation.

Sir FuzziJul 15, 20171 votes

That seems like it could be fair. Are there outliers who would be harmed by this?

Kamara33Jul 15, 20171 votes

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That seems like it could be fair. Are there outliers who would be harmed by this?

Maaaaaaaaaaybe Quinn? Jhin a bit, because Youmoo is a great first item on him.

Anyway, as an ADC main, I wouldn't mind lethality being melee only/reduced effectiveness on ranged. Even though I love Youmoo's on Jhin lethality bot meta is beyond boring, and I'd happilly give that up.

Craft ZeppelinJul 15, 20171 votes

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Maaaaaaaaaaybe Quinn? Jhin a bit, because Youmoo is a great first item on him.

Anyway, as an ADC main, I wouldn't mind lethality being melee only/reduced effectiveness on ranged. Even though I love Youmoo's on Jhin lethality bot meta is beyond boring, and I'd happilly give that up.

Definitly MF, lucian and quinn. They seriously need balances within their own class kits. Especially lucian who is going mid.