"Hey guys, Renekton is seeing frequent picks and bans in the LCS..."

1 800 GGTOOEZ·May 6, 2017·7 votes·1,576 views

"Let's just massively buff him!"

-Riot balance team

28 Comments

Michael702May 6, 20174 votes

They're not playing on the latest patch.

Critmaster GarenMay 6, 20172 votes

i think theyre going about renekton the wrong way.

instead of fiddling with his animation cancelling, they should swap the effects on his w and his e.

make his e stun the first time he collides with an enemy champion. first of all, this makes thematic sense. hes a giant crocodile who tackles people in the face, so the dude gets stunned by the impact. his w would shred his opponents armor.

second, it would make his stun not 100% reliable and give his trades counterplay. you dodge the e, you dont get dicked on. overall it wouldnt change his kit at all but it would slightly change his trading pattern.

instead of dashing near you, stunning you, completely shitting on you and dashing back out to not give you any chance to trade back at him or avoid the entire combo, you would at least have a chance to avoid his full combo by dodging the e.

UKP LKMay 6, 20171 votes

pick irelia, safe farm early buy cor pot. First back doran + shoes/armor, farm again get a tabi, if he is not 2-0 by then and u have a tabi on ire, rip renekton. Max W then Q, Q in minion hit him he stun you, just stun him back he E away Q to him and just auto him until he run with his tail between his legs lool

By safe farm early, get Q first, miss few minions doesnt matter let him push just farm under turret, trade with short trade he cant kill ur butt under turret early level anw :3 ez

Critmaster GarenMay 6, 20175 votes

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pick irelia

what if you have to pick first and renekton was picked into you?

counter picks arent counter play. renekton has an unhealthy trading pattern. and so does irelia. but thats why shes getting a rework soonish. riot has been planning to give her a VGU for a while.

i dont think a full gameplay update is neccessary for renekton. they just have to make a minor change to him to make his stun not absolutely reliable, and tack it onto a mechanic that he and his opponent can play around. thats it.

and by the way, renektons winrate against irelia is just slightly above 50%. its mostly a skill matchup, but she clearly isnt a counter pick.

UKP LKMay 6, 20171 votes

renekton won because lower elo they dont know how to play irelia and they dont know how to deal with the match up. Renekton is just a simpler champ to play than ire.

Idk what match up you are talking about, but you shouldnt be picking something that renekton can 100% dominate and first pick it. Like a riven ~

Critmaster GarenMay 6, 20171 votes

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renekton won because lower elo

those stats are taken from plat+ games.

http://champion.gg/

a well played renekton can dominate pretty much anyone in lane. and there is no dealing with his trades. there is a certain challenger renekton 1 trick who will tell you the same.

KONO RUBICK DAMay 6, 20171 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/5eb4b1e554c3df826b95b973fe2231eb.png

champ.gg is broken and since a long itme 8% ban rate on lulu? stop fooling people

and renekton cannot domiante any lane since a long time, renekton is decent and can be destroy if you all in him during the time he doesn't have ferocity

Critmaster GarenMay 6, 20171 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/5eb4b1e554c3df826b95b973fe2231eb.png

champ.gg is broken and since a long itme 8% ban rate on lulu? stop fooling people

lulu has been banned a lot recently. its only been a couple of patches ago that she was the top dog support and generally considered op. her ban rate around 6.7 and 6.8 was pretty high if i recall correctly.

its not unreasonable that she has 8% ban rate right now.

if a challenger renekton main tells you hes busted right now after the animation changes, then you can probably believe that hes busted right now.

he can cancel his w animation with his q now. he previously needed tiamat for that. this allows him to dash on his opponent, trade with an instant auto attack + w stun + q for a fuckton of burst and dash back out of range before the stun runs out, making it entirely impossible for his opponents to deal with him.

like renektons issue at the moment is almost the same as old leblanc and kassadin when they still had their silences. their trading pattern allowed for no counterplay. they dashed/blinked in on you, hit you witha bunch of direct targeted burst and jumped back out before their cc ran out and you could do anything about it.

with renekton its not quite as bad, since hes not ranged on top of that.

but i generally think they should just swap the effects on his q and his w to make the stun dependent on the skillshot dash. and then balance him around it. that way renekton and his opponent could play around the ability and not get point and click stunned.

KONO RUBICK DAMay 6, 20172 votes

First lulu has near 100% ban rate and has been permabanned since forever,

second i don't care about what a challenger renekton main tells me

i don't care about the opinion of a single player, the statistics and most of people will know that renekton is not an issue, he's not banned, he's not even permapicked

renekton is fine and doesn't need anything

Critmaster GarenMay 6, 20171 votes

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First lulu has near 100% ban rate and has been permabanned since forever,

second i don't care about what a challenger renekton main tells me

i don't care about the opinion of a single player, the statistics and most of people will know that renekton is not an issue, he's not banned, he's not even permapicked

renekton is fine and doesn't need anything

well, i just listed a bunch of reasons why it would make sense to change him around a little. not saying he should get nerfed overall, but he needs a it of changes how he interacts with his opponents in lane.

for the same reason they removed kassadins and leblancs silences.

only that renekton doesnt need his silence removed. it would be enough to swap it with the armor shred on his e.

SegiusMay 6, 20171 votes

clears throat riven

ApocalypsicMay 6, 20171 votes

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clears throat riven

Do what now?

SegiusMay 11, 20171 votes

A Good Riven dumpsters renekton

ApocalypsicMay 11, 20171 votes

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A Good Riven dumpsters renekton

Thats 100% a skill matchup. A better Renekton dumpsters a good Riven and vice versa.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 6, 20172 votes

Are you kidding me? Renek is pick/ban in high elo because there is barely any champ able to deal with him. Even as jayce you need to play very carefully with very good reaction to not get dicked on. Have you been around when renekton was THE toplaner? Whenever he was strong he would outcrowd the whole toplane roster and riot always justified it for him being the "benchmark of toplane" and "a lanebully" when renekton is literal cancer to play against for any champ who can't avoid his engage reliably.

KONO RUBICK DAMay 6, 20172 votes

renekton is not even clsoe the be pick ban

shut the fuck up about high elo if you don't play there

RexxieeMay 6, 20171 votes

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pick irelia, safe farm early buy cor pot. First back doran + shoes/armor, farm again get a tabi, if he is not 2-0 by then and u have a tabi on ire, rip renekton. Max W then Q, Q in minion hit him he stun you, just stun him back he E away Q to him and just auto him until he run with his tail between his legs lool

By safe farm early, get Q first, miss few minions doesnt matter let him push just farm under turret, trade with short trade he cant kill ur butt under turret early level anw :3 ez

"play a champ that sucks before lvl 9 against a champ that can dominate you starting lvl 1.

Irelia blows against both renekton and panth, if she falls behind early game or has to build armor instead of trinity (which she will both) then shes lost the game.

SegiusMay 6, 20171 votes

As a renekton main this sounds horrid to me

Critmaster GarenMay 6, 20171 votes

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As a renekton main this sounds horrid to me

of course it does. because it would make his lane trades a smidge unreliable. it still needs to happen.

The Yetii RiderMay 6, 20171 votes

Renekton is a diver. Divers have to not get kited. A point and click stun is a good way to achieve that. Currently, Renekton primarily sees play because of his aggressive laning phase, but if Riot takes steps to actively fuck up his ability to stick to ranged champs, then he has no role in the team.

kasfasMay 6, 20172 votes

Ever heard of the renekton bar?

Basically it means every toplaner needs to be able to survive renekton early to be viable.

Riot had in previous seasons used this bar as a standpoint to buff every champion who wasn't renekton, and they will likely do it again. First however they should bring renekton up to more modern standards and fix some unintended behaviours. Then we'll slowly see bffs to champions like poppy, jax, Irelia's and the lot of them.

PhDs NutsMay 6, 20172 votes

Just to be clear, we're saying that ~~Riven~~ Renekton is broken because ~~she~~ he can use animation cancelling to unload ~~her~~ his full combo during the stun duration and either kill you or escape with mobility before you can counter, right?

GrymmstrikeMay 6, 20171 votes

He is the 31st most popular champion in professional play in terms of pick/ban rate with a 47% winrate in professional play.

1 800 GGTOOEZMay 6, 20171 votes

Have you tried looking at more recent stats?

GrymmstrikeMay 6, 20171 votes

Rengar has won 41 games with a 57% winrate in the last month, Renekton has won 24 games with a 57% winrate in the last month. Syndra has won 48 games with a near 58% winrate.

People cry about seeing the same champs all the time, yet when Riot makes a couple changes to have more champs viable people start bitching.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 6, 20171 votes

Because renekton is a champ noone wants to see being viable in soloQ. That's why people bitch about him. It's not fun for any toplaner when renekton is strong because he immediately becomes THE toplaner and is not just "meta". If riot wants proplay to have more variety, fine. Give them an own patch on their own client and give garen 1k MS and 2k true damage ult and what not i don't care but i don't want soloQ getting fucked up just because they want pro play to be more entertaining.

1 800 GGTOOEZMay 6, 20171 votes

It's funny because Rengar and Syndra haven't been buffed massively since then.

AdamFrostyBeastMay 6, 20171 votes

renekton is indeed broken at the moment... and that comes from an avid renekton player... the balance border for renekton was his clumsiness and his reliability on flash to be useful in team fights against teams that were cc-heavy... Well, apparently, that's not the case anymore for now his abilities have no delay. He can get a whole rotation off including 2 AA in less than 1.5 sec - the duration of his empowered stun. With his changes also came out a lot of combos that weren't possible before.