What caused Veigar to become OP?

Estrogen Rider··6 votes·1,474 views

Previously he was almost never seen in play. But now he's OP. So what happened?

38 Comments

Jamaree5 votes

Him being played by the pros, this community are a bunch of sheep.

The Bearded Bard4 votes

Popularity increase = an increase of perceived power. If a champion is in more games but win rate stays the same or increases, that champion is winning more games than before, and more importantly are beating more people than before.

You see, this community would rather complain about champions they believe are too strong instead of learning how to play against certain champions. That's why Riot doesn't react to the community's whims with kneejerk reactions anymore. They take a more delicate touch if they do anything at all. I see it as improvement, but many others do not.

Beertaster2 votes

ya cause he being a pocket pick in worlds = OP, his stun is very avoidable without team coordination.

SaltyKracka2 votes

A series of buffs.

Trading Aces1 votes

Assassins lost a lot of their edge.

NemeBro1 votes

Have you considered that it might be the buff he was given?

Arlinaso1 votes

I play a bit of veigar and he shreds ap champs with his ult, so he is a popular counter. His stun can also set up ganks and kills and is considered a very strong non-ultimate ability.

Godaren1 votes

He got buffed plus tp is really good right now cause there are a lot less assasins you need barrier or heal for and tp is amazing on him

Gubaguy1 votes

well... lets see... his Q hits 2 targets and gives him AP per kill it lands, his W has a 100% AP scaling ratio, he has a fairly large AOE stun that even if it misses, delays you from getitng ot him, or your escape. his R scales not ONLY with his AP, but also yours....

jsut spitballing though...

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

His Q has always done that and used to be point and click, his W's AP ratio hasn't changed in years, his ult's AP ratio was nerfed in 5.4, his stun used to be instantaneous a la Annie. If you're going to whine, at least get your facts right.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

his q used to only hit 1 target at point and click.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Oh, sorry. Forgot to write that. Anyway, the point is that overall, Veigar has been nerfed repeatedly over the course of the season. I don't know why people are surprised that a burst mage is actually bursting them.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

because he wasn't played until worlds.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

"Wasn't played" and "wasn't good" are entirely different things, honey. When the delay was added to his E, he became a lot harder to play (though not weaker), and so a lot of people stopped playing him, and the community forgot that he's still a strong burst mage. When he got some small buffs recently, (and he got picked up at Worlds), people started playing him again, and since he was always viable, (especially as assassins became less strong) they were surprised and decided that the only option was to burst onto the forums and make dozens of QQ threads about him.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Look at Talon. He was a great champ, got one small change, and was played at worlds. Then everyone played him and realized how amazing he was. This is the EXACT same situation. Veigar at world's was a pocket pick, just like Talon was, and both are considered strong for their time.

Poppy got played in a Unicorns of Love game, stomped it, and poppy flooded the ladder for a few days. People sheep to pocket picks.

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When the delay was added to his E, he became a lot harder to play (though not weaker), and so a lot of people stopped playing him, and the community forgot that he's still a strong burst mage.

You can't say he wasn't good, and then say he wasn't weaker, just harder to play.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

OMG I've been thinking that you're the same person who I originally replied to! We totally agree! LOL

Gubaguy1 votes

not my fucking thread, he asked why vieg was so Op, i told him, jesus what the fuck is your problem.

Lugg1 votes

When his stun got nerfed to no longer be instant, people assumed he was now worthless and stopped playing him. While it did significantly impact him, he was still viable if you were good with him. With the last round of buffs, he now stacks AP faster and his W had less of a delay, so he came back into meta.

jjookkeerr1 votes

he isnt op, just fotm

Divewing1 votes

Buffs+ tp mid meta reducing kill potential in lane.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

He now gets AP off of assists. Even if you only have 20 assists in a game, that's still about 100 AP you didn't have before.

lightdragoon881 votes

Him getting AP off assist now instead of having to be the one to kill the target gave him a lot of extra power. Even if he hasn't got a lot of kills, he can get lots of assist tanks to his stun cage and that gives him lots of AP now compare to before.

Ralanr1 votes

Which makes focusing him a large risk. If hits you before death and a teammate kills you he'll only get stronger.

I don't like throwing this word around (and I don't hate Veigar) but that ability sounds toxic.

Whether it actually is or not is debatable.

lightdragoon881 votes

Thing is...without this change, Veigar was consider garbage.

Now with this change, he is, while not op, is good and people enjoy playing him again.

Ralanr1 votes

I'm not sure why he was considered garbage. He's (now more than ever I guess) the quintessential example of a late game mage. The longer the game goes, the more dangerous he his.

I see nothing wrong with that. I just find it odd that he has two unique mechanics where most champions tend to revolve around one (from what I understand).

lightdragoon881 votes

The main problem was...he is an in-mobile champ in a very mobile game. When he still had the instant cage, he could fight mobile champs more easily. With the delay on the cage, the delay on his W, and his Q becoming a skill shot, most champs now can easily avoid 90% of his damage.

All that AP he could build means nothing if he can't hit an enemy with it.

Ralanr1 votes

Pro play most likely.

Though personally I don't understand why he has two unique mechanics. He has potentially infinitely scaling AP and he has an ability that scales with the opponent's AP. One of those would be enough.

9kPluzZ1 votes

he got buffed like 4 times since the rework...

Meep Man1 votes

He was buffed, then played in LCS, AND people usually refuse to change their build path which Veigar feeds off of.

Gigahappytown1 votes

got mini reworked as his old kit was toxic e delay and q being a skillshot made him slightly harder to play G&B can't play anything harder than garen G&B crys that veigar is garbage Riot overbuffs veigar Veigar becomes broken Picked in lcs dominates Becomes Fotm

Also a lot of assassins aren't as strong as they used to be and only zed talon and shaco are able to kill veigar mid and late but are incapable of killing him in lane

Croanin1 votes

I think they made his Event Horizon undashable. I'm positive before you could gap close out of it. Now all you can do it flash it.

Mooninites1 votes

hes OP because people dont know how to close out games and stop a game from getting to 40+ minutes

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Seen in competitive play for the first time after the void that was 5.4 and he's suddenly OP, god people are stupid.

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