Can we please discuss Swain now?

Lao Fu the Tiger·Feb 4, 2016·5 votes·570 views

According to Champion.gg, his win rate in Plat+ ranked games has dropped over 7% since his nerf down to 47%. His late game isn't any better, with it baaarely creeping up to 48% at 40+ minutes.

By comparison, ~~Feedmaster~~ Yasuo, a "high skill cap" champion, has nearly a 48% average win rate across the board, roughly 0.5% higher than Swain, who takes much less mechanical skill and relies on smart positioning. Plus, past 30 minutes, Yasuo actually does have a late game spike, which Swain never has, even if he survives laning.

Can we finally start to discuss how hard his nerfs hit him, and whether or not there are any plans for him? I know you guys want to rework him eventually, but for the time being, it seems like he's crippled in both legs.

4 Comments

PennsFeb 4, 20161 votes

Tahm has an even lower win rate after his 6.2 nerfs so he should instantly be buffed as well, right? summoner 32

Lao Fu the TigerFeb 4, 20161 votes

He lost 3% of his win rate. That's not nearly as devastating as more than double the drop :[

JefftiffyFeb 4, 20161 votes

What do you mean swain falls off? He is a god in team fights. Out definitions of falling off must not match. He ramps the longer the game goes until he is full build and doesn't fall off from there.

qetzelFeb 4, 20161 votes

Well. The thing is, Swain has a decent mastery curve - managing his ultimate and his shitty AA is quite hard to learn. Check the win rate by games played graph and the playerbase distribution. His win rate is being skewed by the people who don't know how to play him. With some experience, it shoots right up .