The reason why YOU aren't having fun at League

Lao Fu the Tiger··173 votes·20,369 views

Many threads pop up every week with the same statements.

"I'm not having fun anymore."

"I quit League; this meta kills it for me."

"Season X was so much better than this season."

"Diversity is dead."

What if I told you I absolutely have a blast playing League? What if I told you I actually have loved Season 5, and have generally tremendously enjoyed most of the changes and updates, such as AP item changes, Juggernaut changes, etc.? Would you downvote me for saying that as a Garen player, I actually enjoy the Garen updates, or as a Mordekaiser player, I actually am having fun learning the new Mordekaiser?

This isn't about balance, though, so I won't be going into much about that. Of course, it's obvious that huge changes like the Juggernaut update can throw balance awry for a patch or two. They'll get in place eventually.

But why are you not having fun with League?

"I play Vel'Koz. He's not viable."

"I play Brand.. He's not competitive in this meta."

"I play Varus ADC. He's not good right now."

"I play Singed, but he's too weak right now."

I know this is not true for every single player. But for many, I'd even argue most of the time, people look at high elo 5v5 organized play, recognize through these compositions and builds their champion wouldn't fare very well, and they give up even trying to play their favourite champions, based solely on the 0.0001% of the games played by professionals.

Instead, they try to learn the new, "OP" or "broken" champions.

And they don't have fun, even when they win games. They don't really enjoy playing the champion. They play the game with the main goal being victory, not fun.

At the soul of any sport, competition, or game, if victory is your top priority, you will not have fun.

Even professional players in League admit they play champions because they're strong, and sometimes you even hear players talk about how much they hate playing X or Y champion but do it anyway to win. That's their job. They aren't playing TO have fun in the LCS.

On the flip side, if you play this game with the intention being "have fun," rather than "win," the game becomes SO much more fun. Winning is more fun. Even losing is more fun. You can ignore the fact that Singed isn't the best top lane and enjoy Singed for Singed, and when you DO win, not only will you have won playing somebody you love, but you'll also get the enjoyment of winning. And when you win against those "OP" champions, it's all the more rewarding.

More importantly, if you're truly playing with the goal of having fun and learning rather than simply victory, you will come to regard losing in and of itself as a victory; you've played one more game with your champion, and you have now learned more about your champion.

TL;DR: If you're not having fun, check and see if it's because you're focusing too much on winning and meta rather than having fun and playing/learning your favourite champions. A proper mindset is much more than half of what makes League fun. If your mindset is off, it doesn't matter how much you win, eventually even victory won't seem rewarding to you.

243 Comments

Stiv123439 votes

Well, I would really like to have fun, but when I'm playing as Velkoz Zyra Anivia and get an enemy like Zed Yasuo Fizz Fiora , theres absolutely NO fun involved. Everytime I play against one of those champs and the player is not braindead, I just don't wanna play another game, no matter if I lost or won.

Lao Fu the Tiger7 votes

I dunno man, I play Yorick Swain MasterYi in lane against some of those guys and I have fun.

Axis the Dragon14 votes

It's a question of kit

Vel, Zyra and Anivia all rely a lot on skillshots

Yorick, Swain (to a certain extent) and Yi do not

S H A Y C 021 votes

So the reason all of those people arent having fun is because of champion selection and balance?

You didn't read their threads at all. Most of them are tired of being treated like garbage and told told to kill themselves by arrogant little cretins who believe its "ok" to treat people with such disrespect. These folks will likely jump me in this forum and point out how sensitive and weak i am. Watch for them...they will be here.

But hey, at least you got to write your presumptuous forum post with absolutely no understanding of the situation and prattle on about playing op and broken champions after stating "This isn't about balance, though, so I won't be going into much about that" and then concluding that playing the op and broken champs will allow them to have fun...Don't worry, Charlie Sheen still thinks you're "winning"

Lao Fu the Tiger38 votes

I think you're misunderstanding the thread entirely. This thread is in regard to actual **gameplay ** and balance of champions (hence the board) in relation to each other, not the playerbase. Searching through recent threads, you will find plenty of people threatening to leave the game or statements of how they aren't having fun solely because of the current meta or state of balance.

For instance:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rTWFqT6v-juggernaut-update-ruined-league

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/orz2deAE-league-of-gimmicks

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ahIAHfgw-league-downhill

Obviously, toxicity is a huge factor in why people have less fun as well. I'm not denying this. But this thread isn't about toxicity; it's about the meta's relation to gameplay. And, to be honest, your reply to this thread is, itself, what I would consider a rude, "toxic," and hypocritical response.

S H A Y C 08 votes

well congratulations, now you make less sense than before.

This thread is in regard to actual gameplay and balance of champions

This isn't about balance, though, so I won't be going into much about that

so whats the thread about ??????????????????

warpenguin55520 votes

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well congratulations, now you make less sense than before.

so whats the thread about ??????????????????

its about how people have more fun when they play who they like over when they play whos OP. Did you even read it?

S H A Y C 04 votes

the thread advocates playing the op champions instead of whining that your favorite champion isnt good right now...so my question is, did you?

warpenguin55527 votes

Even professional players in League admit they play champions because they're strong, and sometimes you even hear players talk about how much they hate playing X or Y champion but do it anyway to win. That's their job. They aren't playing TO have fun in the LCS. On the flip side, if you play this game with the intention being "have fun," rather than "win," the game becomes SO much more fun. Winning is more fun. Even losing is more fun. You can ignore the fact that Singed isn't the best top lane and enjoy Singed for Singed, and when you DO win, not only will you have won playing somebody you love, but you'll also get the enjoyment of winning. And when you win against those "OP" champions, it's all the more rewarding.

Back to what i asked you. Did you even read it?

LaceUp231 votes

I have never been told to kill myself in this game. I really haven't even been "wah verbal abuse" either.

The HeraId11 votes

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I have never been told to kill myself in this game. I really haven't even been "wah verbal abuse" either.

I was told to drink bleach once :/

Catastrop10 votes

PREACH!!

Kotex9 votes

Thats how league presents itself. It forces players to conform to whats meta, whats viable, and rejects convivial exploration with everything else. Thats just simply how Riot makes this game.

I LOVE to play teemo. I have fun playing teemo. But its incredibly hard and not worth it to find a team that doesn't mind having a teemo on it, because he not assimilated nor accepted in the "meta"

Silents4299 votes

Bull.

I main any champion you never see and have had success with all of them regardless of the Meta. YorickGalio Olaf Swain

If you are getting rejected for your choice consider yourself dodging a bullet because you were probably with an idiotic team.

Tails Doll1 votes

Yeah, expect you get a %%%% strom if you play those champs on Ranked most of the time (unless Olaf), at least un till you reach plat+, then you get a %%%% strom if you ever die in lane and get afk's ragers all the time.

Silents4292 votes

I don't play ranked so whatever works in ranked I couldn't care any less for.

Nobody in normals seems to care what I pick.

Tails Doll1 votes

Then dont open your mouth when everyone is thinking about ranked....

Silents4294 votes

The post never mentioned ranked, and normals are just as important as ranked play is.

LeeDark1 votes

Yeah, Olaf is pretty much in the meta now. And Yorick is confirmed to be disgusting to play against. And Swain was a meta pick just a few short months ago. So, really... Galio is all you've got here. And even he was good enough to be attempted in the pro scene as a support.

Silents4294 votes

Olaf isn't in the meta anymore then Urgot was in the Meta. As in get popular briefly then dumped to the lowest playrate shortly after. This alone is proof the meta doesn't mean jack.

Swain was never a meta pick, and if he was it definitely didn't get attention, and I find it unlikely I missed that.

I would throw in Karthus and Volibear but I don't feel confident yet calling Karthus a main and I haven't played Voli in a few weeks.

LeeDark1 votes

http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Olaf/Match_History

Of his last fifty pro picks, most are picked by strong players on strong teams, not just Challenger Series or something, and MOST of his appearances are in the last month. I'd say that's a pretty strong showing.

Swain, admittedly, was mostly just TWO players, Quas and Soaz, picking him early this spring and last season, but he did make a strong showing in their hands.

Silents4292 votes

Right but then he will fall off in popularity because LCS stopped playing him, this isn't him working in the meta it's him being in a spotlight.

Just like Urgot.

Kuroi861 votes

It forces players to conform to whats meta, whats viable, and rejects convivial exploration with everything else. Thats just simply how Riot makes this game.

Because Riot MissFortune never attempts Ezreal to breakMordekaiser the meta. Varus

Kotex5 votes

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Because Riot MissFortune never attempts Ezreal to breakMordekaiser the meta. Varus

Not really. Riot didn't make Mid varus, Smite ezreal a thing. The pro scene did.

Melledoneus8 votes

I would have fun playing Aatrox, but when I can't get a single auto off in a team fight or can't even farm because that Darius can pull me in and destroy me in an instant... it kind of kills the enjoyment. I like to play and find ways to defeat my opponent and sometimes juke the entire team. But when you literally can't get near your minions because Yasuo top is oppressive... well, there's nothing to do. The new Fiora can literally kill your entire team. I found it funny at first, but now it just sucks all the fun out of the game. I literally can't play my favorites without getting zoned, oppressed, and mocked for it. I had a Darius tell me that "Aatrox is such a broken champ, you just suck d*ck."

How am I supposed to enjoy this game when I can't even play it?

The Whamboozler2 votes

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I would have fun playing Aatrox, but when I can't get a single auto off in a team fight or can't even farm because that Darius can pull me in and destroy me in an instant... it kind of kills the enjoyment. I like to play and find ways to defeat my opponent and sometimes juke the entire team. But when you literally can't get near your minions because Yasuo top is oppressive... well, there's nothing to do. The new Fiora can literally kill your entire team. I found it funny at first, but now it just sucks all the fun out of the game. I literally can't play my favorites without getting zoned, oppressed, and mocked for it. I had a Darius tell me that "Aatrox is such a broken champ, you just suck d*ck."

How am I supposed to enjoy this game when I can't even play it?

Play Aatrox jungle then, he's pretty strong with devourerer and if worse comes to worst you can always splitpush up a storm. There's always ways to make picks you like work, you just need to think outside the box, yo.

HayRoss7 votes

Gangplank Garen I played both of these guys before their reworks. I'll miss being a useless idiot talking like a pirate or pretending to be a beyblade, but hell, they were fun to play when they were useless.

Algrimor7 votes

I don't find it fun when I play a weaker champ because they are fun and get repeatedly rekt by the OP FOTM bs. I still think this game is fun, but pretending that you don't need to change who you play in order to adjust to a new patch is deluding yourself. If you think it's fun, by all means go for it. That being said, it isn't impossible to have a good game on a "weak" champ. Also, I have fun even when losing, but it gets old watching certain champs continuously get fed.

B3ER6 votes

OP, two question for you. Why do you care why others like the game less? Why should we care about why you like league? Enjoying this game and the services provided by Riot is completely subjective. There's no rule set to it, no legislation, no requirements, no restrictions. If you love it, good for you. If you don't, good for you too.

Lao Fu the Tiger15 votes

A couple of reasons! :)

Yes, it is subjective. However, because it's a team game, to some extent, when other people like the game more, it makes the game more fun for absolutely everybody involved in a game. In a single player game, it really doesn't matter, but here, when each game contains yourself and 9 other players, positive atmospheres breed positive experiences for everybody, just like toxic atmospheres breed miserable games for everybody.

You don't have to care if I like League or not, but as a player who enjoys supporting the community behind a game I love, I want to help the community in any way I can.

Häßlich1 votes

Despite the flaws with your argumentation, I appreciate your motives.

Lao Fu the Tiger2 votes

What flaws?

Will me telling people how I think when I play League change everybody's minds? No. Can it help some people though? Sure! That's the goal. And from experience, I have fun playing games when other people in my game are also having fun.

Likewise, is this the only factor that contributes to having fun? Certainly not - "fun" is subjective and has many factors involved, both visible and invisible. This just happens to be one of the visible factors that many people express.

ArkenStorm2 votes

well wouldn't you want others to have fun? it's more fun if everyone is having fun.

Kögâ6 votes

Decides to play for fun Enemy team : Riven Yi Yasuo Vayne Thresh Goes 0/9999 WOW that was fun!

Dr Poro5 votes

I'm currently on a mission to get every champion that I own at lvl 1 mastery (so basically playing atleast once with every champion in SR) and I haven't had so much fun in a long while. After spamming champs to get diamond (and I finally did it), I decided to just play champs that I haven't played in a long while. I thought that I would be horribly with these champs, because whenever I tried to pick up a new champ during my spam of main champs, I sucked with them. However, this didn't happen. I just played safe early and relied on my team and somehow I got kills and got fed pretty often. First time GP, I went 6/1/10 while screwing up with my barrels so often. But it didn't matter because I didn't let them kill me and together with me team, I could kill them. Oh yeah, and I farmed a lot, which helps lategame ;).

Sometimes your team will be so bad that even when you're 2/0 in lane, the other lanes are 0/12 and you'll never win that game (maybe if you played your main you'd be able to hard carry, but not with a random champ) but it doesn't matter. When this happens, I just continue playing. Not to win, but to keep doing as well as possible. When the enemy is far ahead, they start playing recklessly and you may pick up a kill on a 12/0 enemy under your turret if you play it well.

Lao Fu the Tiger9 votes

See, to me personally, another thing about playing a losing game is that you get to learn the absolute limits of your champion in a much more relaxed environment.

"But Lao Fu losing isn't relaxing."

Well, we can think like that.

OR we can practice things we would normally be too scared to do because we know we'll lose the game anyway (which is beneficial).

OR we can learn our limits and try to stay alive and learn our champion.

In my opinion, the MOST learning on a champion comes from the "WORST" losses in games. Winning doesn't really help you get better as much as losing.

PoopLoopist5 votes

eh, the thing is every champion should be good and viable, and they simply are not. theres 50+ champs that never even get picked in lcs under any circumstances because they are outshined by others, and riots only solution to this is to buff them to the point that they shove other champs into non viability. In reality they just need to completely overhaul the game but they wont do so because that would require them admitting they made a mistake and working to rectify it, why do that when they can just be like HERE YOU GO SKARNER EITHER WIN ALL YOUR GAMES OR BE BANNED EVERY GAME! THIS IS FUN!!!?!?!?!?

The Ecdysiast3 votes

Losing because the champ you like is weak has nothing to do with your skill level. You could be the best Taric player in the world and a gold Tahm Kench is still going to whoop your ass.

insaiyanbacca4 votes

i somehow highly doubt that the best taric player in the entire world even die once to a gold tahm kench js

Lao Fu the Tiger5 votes

Best Taric in the world would probably build AP or AD and carry my Gold ranked games single-handedly.

ArkenStorm3 votes

Fiora jungle is great. Singed is still awesome and so trolly XD I play Veigar all the time. I play Aatrox. Screw the meta

Steph98272 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lao Fu the Tiger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7OamX3P,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-31T14:39:18.673+0000)

At the soul of any sport, competition, or game, if victory is your top priority, you will not have fun.

They aren't playing TO have fun in the LCS.

idk what you expect from LCS; it's nerds competing for money

not saying that you're wrong, but you shouldn't use it as a way of getting your point across

plus, playing games nowadays involves being motivated to win; developers specifically make games and updates nowadays just to have fun IN WINNING, and that's how casuals and children are attracted to them (especially the 12 years olds that are all the rage for people), but then end up having a low attention span and wasting their time

games that involve having fun aren't what most people want as the main course; that's additional. it makes no sense if you seriously think people are going to care less about winning. people are changing into something quite bad now, what with things changing all over the world, and I guess that's what you have to give them if you want them to stay in their crazed state of mind

... or you can disregard this post and just play the game. stop going on this forum to complain and try to make the game fun for yourself instead of having people like OP and I come to respond to why you 'CANT HABE FUN IN LEEG AYNMOAR'

nobody prepares to win anymore; they just want to win

Hyrum Graff6 votes

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idk what you expect from LCS; it's nerds competing for money

not saying that you're wrong, but you shouldn't use it as a way of getting your point across

plus, playing games nowadays involves being motivated to win; developers specifically make games and updates nowadays just to have fun IN WINNING, and that's how casuals and children are attracted to them (especially the 12 years olds that are all the rage for people), but then end up having a low attention span and wasting their time

games that involve having fun aren't what most people want as the main course; that's additional. it makes no sense if you seriously think people are going to care less about winning. people are changing into something quite bad now, what with things changing all over the world, and I guess that's what you have to give them if you want them to stay in their crazed state of mind

... or you can disregard this post and just play the game. stop going on this forum to complain and try to make the game fun for yourself instead of having people like OP and I come to respond to why you 'CANT HABE FUN IN LEEG AYNMOAR'

nobody prepares to win anymore; they just want to win

Having fun is my primary goal. Winning is a lot of fun; being deleted is not a lot of fun (unless I'm Sion and I can get revenge kills). Winning and fun are not mutually exclusive goals.

Steph98271 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hyrum Graff,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7OamX3P,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2015-08-31T16:56:24.521+0000)

Winning and fun are not mutually exclusive goals.

you could always just disregard my post and play the game, like I said

Hyrum Graff3 votes

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you could always just disregard my post and

Yes, this is why I come here, to ignore everything I don't agree with. /s

Or we could have a discussion..

play the game, like I said

I do play the game. I have fun playing.

TheVishual1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lao Fu the Tiger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7OamX3P,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-31T14:39:18.673+0000)

Many threads pop up every week with the same statements.

What if I told you I absolutely have a blast playing League? What if I told you I actually have loved Season 5, and have generally tremendously enjoyed most of the changes and updates, such as AP item changes, Juggernaut changes, etc.? Would you downvote me for saying that as a Garen player, I actually enjoy the Garen updates, or as a Mordekaiser player, I actually am having fun learning the new Mordekaiser?

This isn't about balance, though, so I won't be going into much about that. Of course, it's obvious that huge changes like the Juggernaut update can throw balance awry for a patch or two. They'll get in place eventually.

But why are you not having fun with League?

"I play Vel'Koz. He's not viable."

"I play Brand.. He's not competitive in this meta."

"I play Varus ADC. He's not good right now."

"I play Singed, but he's too weak right now."

I know this is not true for every single player. But for many, I'd even argue most of the time, people look at high elo 5v5 organized play, recognize through these compositions and builds their champion wouldn't fare very well, and they give up even trying to play their favourite champions, based solely on the 0.0001% of the games played by professionals.

Instead, they try to learn the new, "OP" or "broken" champions.

And they don't have fun, even when they win games. They don't really enjoy playing the champion. They play the game with the main goal being victory, not fun.

At the soul of any sport, competition, or game, if victory is your top priority, you will not have fun.

Even professional players in League admit they play champions because they're strong, and sometimes you even hear players talk about how much they hate playing X or Y champion but do it anyway to win. That's their job. They aren't playing TO have fun in the LCS.

On the flip side, if you play this game with the intention being "have fun," rather than "win," the game becomes SO much more fun. Winning is more fun. Even losing is more fun. You can ignore the fact that Singed isn't the best top lane and enjoy Singed for Singed, and when you DO win, not only will you have won playing somebody you love, but you'll also get the enjoyment of winning. And when you win against those "OP" champions, it's all the more rewarding.

More importantly, if you're truly playing with the goal of having fun and learning rather than simply victory, you will come to regard losing in and of itself as a victory; you've played one more game with your champion, and you have now learned more about your champion.

TL;DR: If you're not having fun, check and see if it's because you're focusing too much on winning and meta rather than having fun and playing/learning your favourite champions. A proper mindset is much more than half of what makes League fun. If your mindset is off, it doesn't matter how much you win, eventually even victory won't seem rewarding to you.

You like league because Riot is catering to casual players with reworks and balancing changes, all the rework champs are braindead easy and crush everyone.

Additionally, they made the game easier to play for bad players with reducing snowballing changes, making towers stronger, etc.

Lao Fu the Tiger8 votes

Juggernauts came out on the strong side, sure.

But is there a problem with me enjoying champions that have simpler mechanics?

Should I have to only like playing mechanically challenging champions like Zed and LeeSin to play League? Am I not allowed to enjoy "braindead easy" champions like Garen (who is badass) and Warwick just because their kits don't take a long time to learn?

TheVishual2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lao Fu the Tiger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p7OamX3P,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2015-08-31T17:13:01.998+0000)

Juggernauts came out on the strong side, sure.

But is there a problem with me enjoying champions that have simpler mechanics?

Should I have to only like playing mechanically challenging champions like Zed and LeeSin to play League? Am I not allowed to enjoy "braindead easy" champions like Garen (who is badass) and Warwick just because their kits don't take a long time to learn?

You can do w/e you want but you shouldn't title your thread "why YOU aren't having fun at league". Some people enjoy more mechanically rewarding champions instead of facerolly ones, and bashing their opinion because you enjoy the new balance changes even though a lot of other people don't makes you a tool

Lao Fu the Tiger6 votes

I love Zed. I wouldn't bash their opinion.

The only opinions I'm bashing are those too stubborn to be themselves in the game and only care about performance.

Valenten9 votes

I dont think he was really saying "Mechanically complex champs are boring to play simple champions are where its at" I think he was more or less saying that If your main/favorite champion isnt in "Meta" dont let that stop you from playing it just because its not meta. There is no reason to not be able to play your favorite champion whether they be mechanically complex or not. Its a game and its ment to be fun first then can turn competitive. I bet if you ask any pro player why they became a pro they will say "Cause the game was fun and I wanted to invest into something I loved playing and had fun playing" now its their job so they cant always have fun playing it because they get paid to win which means playing things they dont 100% enjoy. For 99.99% of players they can play what they love to play and have fun playing without actually worrying about things.

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