What is Graves weakness? What can you exploit to get the upper hand? Jungler v Jungler

Touch My Box·Mar 2, 2017·4 votes·961 views

Gets Tiamats level 1 because of his passive
Healthy clear cause perma knockback and free defensive stats
Incredible counter potential because literally walls everywhere
Too healthy and fast to counterjungle, plus Warlord's freelo prevents him from dying

Currently a ranged version of Shyvanna with more mobility, not to mention anyone who is melee gets fucked in the asshole because of his passive increasing the damage you take at close range.

What do you do against him, or just pray that he is shit and can't use the 15 level advantage he has?

So fucking sick of seeing him picked, press tab and he is outfarming all the lanes and keeping up in level with solo lanes.

What points of his clear are his weakest or what part of the game is he most vulnerable..

18 Comments

dominusxMar 2, 20172 votes

LeeSin is a worse offender than him and is more oppresive. i dont see you crying about him.

How to play vs Graves? dont fk with him when he has Red. Avoid his combo which is easy as fuck to avoid unless the graves knows how to cancel animations thing that you wont see outside diamond and that's pretty much it. -Dont get hit by his shit -Hit YOUR shit -Dont fight him when he has red unless you are ahead.

Dominick DestineMar 2, 20171 votes

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is a worse offender than him and is more oppresive.

Not to mention Lee is WAY easier to play and brokenly overpowered.

At least Graves is really slow and has many built-in weaknesses.

dominusxMar 2, 20171 votes

you cant call graves slow. but if the comment was sarcastic sarcasm not accepted.

Dominick DestineMar 2, 20171 votes

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you cant call graves slow.

.... uh lol?

Graves is MASSIVELY slow compared to LeeSin , don't be a joke.

dominusxMar 2, 20171 votes

ah you were serious fine. but still graves isnt slow but not fast either. Lee is a joke.

Dominick DestineMar 2, 20171 votes

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ah you were serious

... are you RTdd?

Did you think it was a joke to say that Graves is massively slower than LeeSin ? I am not going to bring up your stats because I already know what I'm going to find.

graves isnt slow but not fast either. Lee is a joke.

Alright, you're either a troll or just another bronze level player talking trash about a game he does not understand. To say you are way off the mark would be a colossal understatement.

dominusxMar 2, 20171 votes

bro are you high....lool. Graves IS slower than Lee. Graves IS harder than Lee

Lee IS easy to play since he just needs to R QQ E to kill people. Lee IS fast as fuck for no particular reason and he is toxic for that.

Graves is NOT slow overall his clears are good and healthy and he can cross terrain consistently if he gets to autoattack things.

I'm dia for the last 3 years ._. i just get banned before i ever make it somewhere decent like masters.

Rammus ok the way you you spelled your first comment made it sound sarcastic and i'm used to bronzes coming up and blabbering random shit in a sarcastic manner. Also my comment said You cant call graves slow not Graves isnt slower than lee I'm sleepy but you cant read xd

Dominick DestineMar 2, 20171 votes

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Graves IS slower than Lee.

Obviously.

Graves IS harder than Lee

Obviously.

Lee IS easy to play since he just needs to R QQ E to kill people.

Obvously.

Lee IS fast as fuck for no particular reason and he is toxic for that.

Obviously.

Stopped reading. This is far too remedial.... these are basic facts that any competent player accepts as axioms as they have been in place for years. I doubt you made an argument anywhere in that post, etc.

Ah damn, I caved and checked the last part of your post and found this little gem;

my comment said You cant call graves slow not Graves isnt slower than lee

Except the discussion was specifically about Lee. I responded to someone about Lee and you took it out of context and applied to everyone. You fail on every single level.... but to be fair, you are bronze level so that is to be expected.

dominusxMar 2, 20171 votes

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Dominick DestineMar 2, 20171 votes

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Well that's lovely.

Touch My BoxMar 2, 20171 votes

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is a worse offender than him and is more oppresive. i dont see you crying about him.

How to play vs Graves? dont fk with him when he has Red. Avoid his combo which is easy as fuck to avoid unless the graves knows how to cancel animations thing that you wont see outside diamond and that's pretty much it. -Dont get hit by his shit -Hit YOUR shit -Dont fight him when he has red unless you are ahead.

He just drops his blind and zoooooms away whenever I try to fight him.

SOLOQSUPERHEROMar 2, 20171 votes

So, as someone who doesn't play graves, I think his biggest weakness is you have to build a comp that can handle him.

I consistently get frustrated in this meta, where we have an MF support and a graves jungle. How are you supposed to peel? How are you supposed to teamfight?

I'd pick against it lots of cc and just aim to win teamfights, especially if the comp isn't built around him.

If they do have a good comp, look for someone with good early ganks and just try and out pressure his lanes. he doesn't have great ganks.

King J3ffMar 2, 20171 votes

warlords doesn't help him in the jungle. just saying

EDIT: that's why jungle graves players take thunderlords

Touch My BoxMar 2, 20171 votes

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warlords doesn't help him in the jungle. just saying

EDIT: that's why jungle graves players take thunderlords

I've seen a few and it makes them unkillable during counterjungling sessions.

King J3ffMar 2, 20171 votes

thunderlords still is better even counter jungling imo cuz of the 3rd proc. warlords doesn't work as well, specially with graves's low attack speed.

Kirius DarkMar 2, 20171 votes

for someone bitching about a champ, you sure dont know a lot about what they do or how they build. warlords is total shit for graves especially with his low rate of autos.