Im literally at a loss for words.
This is a 2/7/2 Ryze, down a level and only 2 completed items.
Why is a single E to minion and Q a minion able to take off over half my fucking health?
Not even ultimates do that.
Give me Syndra ults anyday, but put Ryze back to his original state.
Inb4 "Just like, don't stand near minions man"
EvanThomas12 votesDo you have MR? is his build completely offensive (for example Morello + Rabadon's + tear)? I can't see anything about builds, KDA, or CS to even verify that he's behind. If we were able to see more information, maybe we could actually give a legitimate answer.
And yeah, I'll say it. There is NO reason for you to be near those minions. No one on the enemy team has any skillshots that are blocked by minions, so avoiding minions shouldn't be difficult.
Edit: After seeing what builds you and Ryze had, I can see why it hurts. Ryze didn't take the normal scaling build with HP. He rushed two offensive items, like I predicted. Morello's, and Archangel's. I also predicted that you built no MR. I was right. It's no wonder he hurt so much. It's squishy mage vs squishy mage. Also, notice how you still have spellflux on you after the empowered Q hits? This means when the Q bounced to you, another minion died right after, applying another spellflux. So no, one Q did not half health you. One Q and two E's on a full offensive build half-healthed you.
Edit 2: Also, you have 3 completed items. Ryze has 2 1/2. You made it sound like you were at 4 or something.
Void Nargacuga5 votes
dunder kill1 votesThat's what they ended the game with. That doesn't prove what he had at the time of the clip
Void Nargacuga1 votesConsidering the time stamp of the video being 27:05 and the game ended at 28m 49s I'm pretty sure it would be safe to assume that is very close if not the builds they had at the time.
And now after cross referencing the other player (Ryze) I can truly come to the conclusion that is what they both had at the time the clip was taken of 27:05. The last item Ryze bought was 
at 26 minutes into the game. Last item OP bought was 
at 27 minutes. Trust me I've checked.
dunder kill1 votesFair enough
Touch My Box2 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-03T21:54:36.287+0000)
Considering the time stamp of the video being 27:05 and the game ended at 28m 49s I'm pretty sure it would be safe to assume that is very close if not the builds they had at the time.
And now after cross referencing the other player (Ryze) I can truly come to the conclusion that is what they both had at the time the clip was taken of 27:05. The last item Ryze bought was
So he isn't getting any pen outside of runes/masteries, no rabadons.
Archangels and Morellos and you can do that kind of damage with skills that aren't bodyblocked with low/no cooldown.
Void Nargacuga2 votesSo with his build he gets a large amount of power due to the items he bought. 
ends up being very strong on him due to his Passive and the scalings on his abilites.
Arcane Mastery Innate: Ryze gains (5% per 100 AP) bonus mana.
Overload
Spell Flux
That will chunk you if you don't itemize against it.
Just like not building 
against Yasuo will let him chunk you as well.
Or not building 
against Vayne.
Learning how to build against your opponent while still giving you an advantage is key.
Touch My Box1 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=000400000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-03-04T04:26:57.868+0000)
So with his build he gets a large amount of power due to the items he bought.
Arcane Mastery Innate: Ryze gains (5% per 100 AP) bonus mana.
Overload
- Magic Damage: 60 / 85 / 110 / 135 / 160 / 185 (+ 45% AP) (+ 3% bonus mana)
- Bonus Damage: 40 / 50 / 60 / 70 / 80%
Spell Flux
- Magic Damage: 50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 (+ 30% AP) (+ 2% bonus mana)
That will chunk you if you don't itemize against it.
Just like not building
Or not building
Learning how to build against your opponent while still giving you an advantage is key.
I understand how he gets his damage, I just don'tthink a 0.5 sec cd on 700 damage post mitigation is okay.
He has no pen, I have base 30MR. thats a 30% reduction.
Void Nargacuga2 votesThis is how you calculate MR damage reduction.
The math says when I input your base MR of 30 I get this result: 0.769230769230769
That isn't 30% reduction. Its closer to 24% reduction (with lots of decimals).
Touch My Box2 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=00040000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T04:34:58.357+0000)
This is how you calculate MR damage reduction.
The math says when I input your base MR of 30 I get this result: 0.769230769230769
That isn't 30% reduction. Its closer to 24% reduction (with lots of decimals).
6% is close enough to round ;)
Autrah Fang3 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=000400000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T04:49:57.318+0000)
6% is close enough to round ;)
it's 6 away though... if you were rounding it'd be more accurate to round down to 20% rather than up to 30, or even halfway in between at 25 :P
EvanThomas1 votesMy bad, I should've just looked it up. Gonna change my comment now.
NoTea4 votesTried everything in Practice Tool with the same build (assuming the RoA is fully stacked) with the small shield that you had with your HP, you only had roughly ~1700hp with the shield. As said above, you underestimated Ryze's damage.
Touch My Box3 votes[{quoted}](name=uhhh Strat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=000400000002,timestamp=2017-03-03T22:14:57.611+0000)
Tried everything in Practice Tool with the same build (assuming the RoA is fully stacked) with the small shield that you had with your HP, you only had roughly ~1700hp with the shield. As said above, you underestimated Ryze's damage.
No shit I underestimated it. I thought that a single skill with a 0.5 second cooldown shouldn't do 50% of someones health.
Toa Innodence4 votesryze does NOT have a damaging ult in his power budget, he set up the wave with flux. furthermore, ryze pumps some of his mana into ability power and vis versa. karthus also had flux and next to no magic resist outside of runes and masteries and only 1700 hp when he had a sheild.
its gonna chunk half karth's health like polio would to an anti-vaxer's kids.
this is really just an allegory on why health means very little without resistances. thankfully there's a hybrid offense/defense item that's better than deathcap in the early stages:
Touch My Box2 votes[{quoted}](name=Toa Innodence,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=00040000000200000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T04:10:34.852+0000)
ryze does NOT have a damaging ult in his power budget, he set up the wave with flux. furthermore, ryze pumps some of his mana into ability power and vis versa. karthus also had flux and next to no magic resist outside of runes and masteries and only 1700 hp when he had a sheild.
its gonna chunk half karth's health like polio would to an anti-vaxer's kids.
this is really just an allegory on why health means very little without resistances. thankfully there's a hybrid offense/defense item that's better than deathcap in the early stages:
He has virtually no pen so MR isn't a huge factor, its still 30% reduction.
Toa Innodence1 votesfurthermore, ryze pumps some of his mana into ability power and vis versa.
I repeat.
furthermore, ryze pumps some of his mana into ability power and vis versa.
with similar items, he has MORE ability power, AND has scalings from bonus mana.
that's:
base damage 60-185 (+ 45% AP) (+ 3% bonus mana) + 40-80% bonus damage from flux from rank 1 to 6.
is it stupid that he hits like a truck? yes.
does NOT building magic resistance mean it should NOT chunk half health? No.
Touch My Box1 votes[{quoted}](name=Toa Innodence,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=0004000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-05T20:33:48.094+0000)
I repeat.
with similar items, he has MORE ability power, AND has scalings from bonus mana.
that's:
base damage 60-185 (+ 45% AP) (+ 3% bonus mana) + 40-80% bonus damage from flux from rank 1 to 6.
is it stupid that he hits like a truck? yes.
does NOT building magic resistance mean it should NOT chunk half health? No.
Even the base 24% reduction should be enough to avoid taking 1200 damage from it. That would mean if he wasn't retarded and built Sorc boots, you would be taking almost 1600.
LeBlanc is getting gutted when her burst is much fucking lower.
You can go against most other mages and not build MR, but they couldn't do that damage.
Toa Innodence1 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=00040000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-06T06:03:14.184+0000)
Even the base 24% reduction should be enough to avoid taking 1200 damage from it. That would mean if he wasn't retarded and built Sorc boots, you would be taking almost 1600.
LeBlanc is getting gutted when her burst is much fucking lower.
You can go against most other mages and not build MR, but they couldn't do that damage.
having troubles following what you're trying to tell me here. base 24% resist avoids 1200, but with additional mr, the thing that reduces magic resist, takes 1600? then you start talking about leblanc, an assassin-mage with high mobility and misdirection? and then talk about not building mr against mages? can you please clarify on what you mean? I know you're probably frustrated, but I can't understand you when you're bringing up so many threads, likely from other conversations you've had with other people.
I'll indulge you in looking at Leblanc:
range, middle-long resource, if she needs more she's doing it wrong p--timing gated situational damage q--damage waveclear w--damage mobility, saftey, misinformation e--damage situational cc r--see q,w,e or misinformation common thread: timed, combo, burst damage to few squishy targets ideal for early game
I'll go over Karthus:
range, mid+1 global resource, medium needed, but upon death, free stuff. p--damage output continuation beyond death q--delayed damage to situational double damage w--resistance shred, defensive/controling slow, leading to more damage and situational q's and passive mana gain e--consistent damage tick r--delayed damage common thread among all: enemy team damage/shred that isnt overpowering, but relevant throughout the game
now lets look at Ryze:
range, short to situationally middle resource, converted into damage as efficiency to keep up. p--scaling/cost efficiency with ap and mana scalings q--damage, situational waveclear/inc damage, or situational movement defense w--damage, cc, situational long cc e--damage, setup r--slow, telegraphed channel that deals no damage common thread: combo'd basic ability damage that is modest to low early but scales well into late game
is ryze's power spike earlier than it should be? probably, they could scale his passive up over his levels so he isn't as oppressive. but his role is to start chunking people who are
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retarded
and not buy additional mr once 20+ minutes roll by.
Let me Clarify, that you are not wrong in saying it's frightening and that he could be adjusted to be more parabolic than exponential.
TheHappyReaperz10 votesIt did 630 damage to you. I'm not surprised, you clearly underestimated his damage. Besides that, if your total health is something like 1260, your squishy, to an extreme.
Touch My Box2 votesIt did 630 damage to you. I'm not surprised, you clearly underestimated his damage. Besides that, if your total health is something like 1260, your squishy, to an extreme.
You seem to ignore the added 740 damage.
Void Nargacuga5 votes
with 
Well if you had some MR itemization in that build it would have reduced the damage.
Touch My Box1 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-03T20:02:49.067+0000)
Well if you had some MR itemization in that build it would have reduced the damage.
The point is that most other mages won't do the same damage at that stage of the game, regardless of my build.
Caytheles2 votesRyze has no ultimate and his kit is basically made to clear and hurt anything in the way. the reason other mages dont do that (thats bs but ill play along) is because they have their soul purposes and kits. Also keep in mind ryze is one of the few mages without a Damaging ult and it doesnt cc. you didnt counterplay him... bought no mr and touched the butt
Touch My Box1 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-03T20:02:49.067+0000)
Well if you had some MR itemization in that build it would have reduced the damage.
He has no built pen, so he has his 8 from runes and then some from cunning tree if he takes it.
If he had Sorc boots it could MAYBE be understandable, but still..
The point is that Syndra, who is commonly complained about for having low CD burst, doesn't even pull out that damage with just two skills, and hers have much longer cooldowns.
QuickenedBlade4 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MvhAeVrl,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-03T19:48:46.692+0000)
I front lined vs Ryze as the squishiest champion in the game with 0 magic resist items and took lots of damage
wow bro i wouldnt i guessed
l2p
invisiblecat12 votesThere are people who still say Ryze is weak
bbQsauçe2 votes[deleted]
Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votesShe does when she poisons you and hits you with multiple E in a row.
She has considerably more counterplay then just not standing near minions.
Touch My Box3 votesShe does when she poisons you and hits you with multiple E in a row.
She has considerably more counterplay then just not standing near minions.
If you stand near minions, he fucks you up because of the unnecessary bounce. If you stand away from minions, he can just fuck your asshole directly.
ZURELL1 votesyou need to elaborate
Photos of Ghosts1 votesI'm more surprised that 630 makes for half the HP of a champion that bought RoA, than the fact that his combo did 630.
FreeMilk1 votesJust because he's been killed that many times doesn't mean he cannot CS. There's other ways to get gold.
Daxanater1 votesHe wasn't punished enough then, you gotta prevent him from getting any mana to scale late. Other wise he's basically veigar, they should really rework his mana system imo - Ryze main
Touch My Box2 votesHe wasn't punished enough then, you gotta prevent him from getting any mana to scale late. Other wise he's basically veigar, they should really rework his mana system imo - Ryze main
He is still stupidly oppressive in lane phase because his shield will absorb any damage I throw at him, but he can throw 5 spells within a 2 second window at level 3.
Daxanater1 votesThe thing is you gotta camp him early and he will fall to the ground, preventing him from farm anything. For example, ur shaco you got a lead but there is a ryze who's like 10 cs lead constantly above your mid. You don't even need to gank, prevent him from farming as much as possible and he wont bother you. Naturally he will scale but before then your mr can handle it. But truthfully if the game carrys on to the point where he maxes his mana items its all on positioning.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesWhich 'original' state? He's been reworked several times.
had 
