Why can't we see the armor pen of our opponent? Or how much life steal they have?

awdaf··113 votes·3,047 views

On my champion, if I push C, I can see the Armor/Magic pen I have, and Lifesteal and all that stuff, but why can't I push C when I have the enemy champion toggled to see what they have?

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Drugoth6 votes

You can determine these stats for the most part by looking at their items. As for runes and masteries... Well, you can look at their keystone and make a guess how much pen/steal they have from that in masteries...

maikokk1 votes

you can pretty definitively tell this way, unless your opponent made a mistake. problem is that it would be hard for new players to do this.

notice me Sin pi1 votes

problem is that tutorial doesnt even teach new players to press C to look up the stats

Mhihnj1 votes

tbh i opened the shop tab to see those stats until i read this post

Hello I am Bird1 votes

Your icon was confusing the hell out of me and I thought it was some limited edition Icon I missed out on then I realized I have F.E.K. installed and it was just your fek icon.

Teh Song3 votes

You can. Press tab, and check their items.

woobee7 votes

That still doesn't account for runes and masteries, and added bonuses from the champion's kit.

Spellvamp Garen3 votes

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That still doesn't account for runes and masteries, and added bonuses from the champion's kit.

I just look on a site like op.gg and check the live game stats. They show what runes / masteries the player is running.

Tbh, it's not that hard to infer how much arpen someone has. Ex. "Ghost blade (20) + Duskblade (10) + Black Cleaver (up to 30%) = damn, I better stack some health and maybe get a Randuins."

notice me Sin pi1 votes

here's an easier way: type in ur IGN in lolking during loading screen and look up the live match. Tells u runes, masteries, and even win rates of each player

Spellvamp Garen2 votes

Lolking is too heavy of a site. Takes forever to load because of ads.

Op.gg is much lighter and has all the stats that lolking has.

doiminat0r36002 votes

Preferably wouldn't want to Alt+Tab on another website (that is probably taking bandwith loading ads and such) just to check a few stats.

HateDaddy3 votes

It's really not necessary to display those stats TBH

You can get a fairly accurate idea of where they stand based on items alone

doiminat0r36001 votes

Yeah but if they have a little extra pen or a little extra life steal can determine how you build.

They have extra life steal? Build more AS slows. They have extra AD? Build more armor. They have extra Pen? Build more HP.

It can also help determine who to focus in your first teamfight.

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

Because you are playing a game from 2009 in 2016... They have to release a new game, so we can see such features alongside new maps and so on.

theArtifacts19 votes

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Because you are playing a game from 2009 in 2016... They have to release a new game, so we can see such features alongside new maps and so on.

They are working on the new features aspect every single year and will be releasing a new client soon. They don't need a new game at all, perhaps you do?

Bladerunner777712 votes

{quoted} They don't need a new game at all, perhaps you do?

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MLDzXnRRR2 votes

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They are working on the new features aspect every single year and will be releasing a new client soon. They don't need a new game at all, perhaps you do?

They are working on basic features that they can't implement for years... Their base engine is pretty limited - it's like building a house without any foundation.

theArtifacts21 votes

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Their base engine is pretty limited - it's like building a house without any foundation.

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Melledoneus4 votes

Irrelevent. I see the turtles holding that house up. You can't trick me.

Leetri3 votes

In the end, isn't everything held up by turtles?

Synnx72 votes

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They are working on the new features aspect every single year and will be releasing a new client soon. They don't need a new game at all, perhaps you do?

I heard HoTs has already 11 maps to choose from, no last hitting shitty mechanic and no "fed 1 vs 5 " mehanics. Since Hots came out riot stole their ideas of alt + click spell/item etc, chat links. Champ mastery, and chromas alongside with DQ. This crap is a coppy of WC3 mod. A real RTS game

theArtifacts5 votes

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I heard HoTs has...

So not first hand info? Must not be a great game if you're choosing to not play it.

Since Hots came out riot stole their ideas of alt + click spell/item etc, chat links.

Stolen ideas? Please. Blizzard didn't invent Chromas. Go back to Mortal Kombat (First one with multiplayer) and even then you could have the same fighter in different colors. Super Smash Bros (N64) also had "Chromas". If Riot borrows from other sources to make their game a little better that only makes them a wise company.

Synnx71 votes

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So not first hand info? Must not be a great game if you're choosing to not play it.

Stolen ideas? Please. Blizzard didn't invent Chromas. Go back to Mortal Kombat (First one with multiplayer) and even then you could have the same fighter in different colors. Super Smash Bros (N64) also had "Chromas". If Riot borrows from other sources to make their game a little better that only makes them a wise company.

For the Hots part. The sole reason i play this shitty game is that , skill matters a bit compared to HoTs , and because of hextech crafting and proper automated report system. Other than that, HoTs shits on this game, gameplay wise. Team fights from the beginning to the end , no last hitting farming whack-a-mole game for half an hour

Rorana3 votes

I don't think either of those mechanics are bad, sure they can be frustrating sometimes, but the rewards usually outweighs the downsides there. Last hitting gives something to play around in lane, and a mastery curve to laning that feels rewarding when people get good at playing around it. "fed 1 vs 5" mechanics rarely happens overall, its just negative experiences are more easily remembered than just ok ones, I'd rather deal with fighting a fed opponent sometimes than have no chances to take the control of the game myself.

DeathBot6665 votes

You only need a new game designed like LoL if the developers are too incompetent to keep the game updated with the new technology.

Cough Cough Dota Cough Cough

Auz the Ripper5 votes

Well to be fair to Dota, it was a mod to a game that was released 14 years ago.

doiminat0r36001 votes

Which they released their own standalone version Dota 2 which is now one of the leading competitors vs LoL

KaylaDaBamf1 votes

and it still sux

Itsbeghdev1 votes

AFAIK Dota 2 and League are sorta both the direct successors of the original mod.

invisiblecat12 votes

Another huge advantage of having a spectator Press C while spectating shows stats, should lifesteal and such A spectator can also cheat and locate pink wards that are in brushes I have seen it a few times where someone knows exactly what bush the pink ward is in without checking any others It is so toxic

bill844 votes

Well this is also the reason that the spectator is on a delay, so it will not be that helpful a lot of the time.

awdaf4 votes

I am talking in game, it isn't cheating, knowing the enemy laner is running armor pen instead of flat AD can help a lot.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Do you really want to see me coming at you with ~50% + 30 armor pen (and black cleaver)? I know how much that 300 armor means to you. >;p

The Ecdysiast2 votes

because you can't see it on allies, either.

Knalxz2 votes

Well you could just look at their items and say,

"OH SHIT!"

and save yourself a death before the games ends.

Elikain2 votes

My guess is that those stats aren't "need to know" information. It just adds unnecessary cluttering, in a separate window.

How do you counter lifesteal/spellvamp? With Grevious Wounds or doing more damage than they can heal.

How do you counter flat armor/magic pen? By building more of it to offset the flat value.

Your stats are relevant and they are shown because you can micromanage your own builds and damage. However, micromanaging the enemy build is out of your hands and showing you all their stats doesn't help you make a choice. It's just unnecessary information.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Something something info overload.

ItsOrval1 votes

But meh JAYCE 67 armor pen with 75% armor pen is too op. I dont want them to see it :D

dunkeroni1 votes

Because you can see the basic stats of any enemy unit, but certain stats are "hidden" so that you have to strategically keep up with what's going on in the game. Riot can't make everything blindingly obvious for you.

Teh Song1 votes

Frankly, the game already gives you way more information about your opponents than it should.

IMO things like lolking and whatnot shouldn't even exist. The level of the champion and the items they have as shown by pressing tab is all you should ever have available to you about other players.

Splashworks1 votes

Tbh, you can just see what items they built. If you want runes, then use op.gg/lolnexus, or sites like those in loading screen.

Rivuo1 votes

its called lolnexus and check their items lol

Vistha Kai1 votes

It used to be a thing, but they changed it to crit chance soon after.

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