Darius is by far the best Juggernaut, please fix

The Cane Master··2 votes·1,391 views
Champion.gg - Darius Top Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

On this page http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list, we could see Riot's subclasses, one of which are Juggeranuts:

Nasus Nasus Darius Darius Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Illaoi Illaoi Trundle Trundle Olaf Olaf Garen Garen Shyvana Shyvana Udyr Udyr DrMundo Dr. Mundo Volibear Volibear Yorick Yorick

Out of all these champions, Darius does the most dmg by far (out which late game it is 1000 true dmg pentakill dunks), has integrated 25% armor pen from level 5 E (Apprehend), plus the most multi target armor pen by only landing one auto or a spell with item 3071 (up to 30% for 6 seconds), ALL THE WHILE HAVING AOE PULL. So he is able to use Courage of the Colossus, and still doesn't lack mobility since item 3071 provides that too, so he honestly it's any more kiteable than any mentioned champion. One could argue that he is less tanky than other fellow Juggernaut, however with multi target item 3065 Qs late game he heals insane amounts of HP. I honestly don't know if he lacks anything really, and it certainly shows in high elo stats :

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Darius

With 2nd highest play rate in high elo, I can't even imagine any other Juggernaut performing even remotely as well in low elo. Riot explains balancing champions to be good in either low or high elo, however Darius is an exception. Unless Riot intends to buff all the Juggernauts until they reach the same play/win rate across all elos, I suggest nerfing this braindead no mechanics unstoppable kill machine.

I'm a Diamond top laner just for reference.

24 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear7 votes

I say buff the other juggs.

Also you may be diamond but you are also a Nasus main judging by your name.

Who usually gets dumpstered by Darius.

I am sensing bias. Also why are you calling Darius braindead considering you play Nasus, a champ many people (not including me) call braindead as well?

The Cane Master1 votes

I don't question Nasus being braindead since his kit is truly binary. However the topic revolves around Darius being the best Juggernaut out there, while also not being that harder to play, if at all.

Ahristocats4 votes

First Darius is by far the best designed juggernaut, he isn't binary, he needs much more skill than any juggernaut except maybe illaoi, and there are so much outcome that can happen with Darius in a teamfight instead of "getting to a carry right click gg"

Second, Darius is extremely well balance right now EXCEPT MAYBE IN LANING PHASE, not only he is the ONLY ONE that can do well against a ranged top laner as a juggernaut, but he's a counter to immobile melee like mordekaiser or nasus while getting countered by mobile melees that can dodge his Q.

Third, every other juggernauts suck cocks in this game and can't do their job in teamfight except shyvana but that's because she gets 3 lvl ahead by farming the jungle.

tl dr: all champions on your list needs a buff

Kingslayer Riven2 votes

Second, Darius is extremely well balance right now EXCEPT MAYBE IN LANING PHASE, not only he is the ONLY ONE that can do well against a ranged top laner as a juggernaut

morde can beat ranged top laners

Big Lincoln2 votes

Nasus calling Darius braindead. Huh.

Have you considered that Riot likes Darius better because he is the most well designed Juggernaut?

The Cane Master1 votes

If that is the case, don't you think that all champions deserve to be well designed?

Ralanr1 votes

Yes, but making someone well designed is easier said than done.

Jbels1 votes

{quoted}

Yes, but making someone well designed is easier said than done.

I don't know, the only not well designed champions left in the game are the ones with outdated kits and the ones CertainlyT designed/reworked

Ralanr1 votes

Ok, though it takes a while to rework champions.

It's not impossible, just not easy.

Big Lincoln2 votes

Of course I do, I would enjoy to have more Juggernauts to play.

But that's just not really the case.

Mord is a mess, Riot gave up on Skarner, Illaoi and Yorick were horribly executed, and Riot only likes Nasus until he becomes popular. Trundle is only really a counterpick to tanks and Garen is still being balanced as a worse Darius.

Bigger changes need to occur if we want to make them actually good and not just ridiculous.

l Helios l2 votes

summoner 6 is also a big deal on him. Just buff the other juggernauts and nerf ghost. Nerf first tower gold too to reduce the snowballing aspect of the game that champions like Darius thrive in.

l Dárius l2 votes

welcome to league, nothing new with your post here... darius isnt anything special and he does not need nerfs

The Cane Master1 votes

Have you not read the topic? He has 2nd highest play rate out of ALL top laners, and 11th win rate. No other Juggernaut is anywhere close to that.

l Dárius l1 votes

so are juggernauts not allowed to have the 11th highest winrate in the game? what would you think if nasus had that winrate? also, arent the 10 other champions that are doing better than darius a bigger issue right now?

The Cane Master1 votes

so are juggernauts not allowed to have the 11th highest winrate in the game?

Of course they are, it's just that Darius outclasses any other Juggernaut 1v1 while also not being that less tanky as one would think. As said above, he also has the best CC possible, AOE pull so he is the only Juggernaut that can use Courage of the Colossus mastery as well. I just don't think that's fair.

CoIpsum2 votes

Honestly I think Darius is the most well-rounded and most balanced Juggernaut in the game. He has decent counterplay which most juggernauts severely lack, he's more easily kited than say Garen who once has item 3071 will run you down like an ape. Darius 's Q can be dodged, so can his grab, he's not unkillable if you have a decent team-comp and aren't full AD/AP teams. His only sustain is in his Q as well, which can be avoided. Now as for most other juggernauts, it's much harder to dodge their spells if they're even dodgeable period. I have a better time against Darius then I do against Garen even though everyone tells me he's a garbage champ. Darius has built in armor pen, cool. Garen also has armor shred, but it's on a spin that procs item 3071 's passive, shreds armor faster then Darius 's bleed, and deals significantly more damage to you if you're isolated along with providing extra team damage since instead of just armor pen like Darius it's shredding it instead so your ADC does more damage in team fights. Darius 's Q can be dodged by either getting out of it's range, or hugging him to reduce it's damage significantly, Garen Q is an extremely high damage auto buff that silences, gives him a huge speed boost, and can't be dodged. I'd argue that Darius is the absolute most balanced juggernaut since his kit actually offers a decent level of counterplay to someone who understands his kit, he's still oppressive in lane, no doubt about that, but he's not nearly as bad as Garen is to a handful of champs or Illaoi who's just ridiculous even if you kill most of her tentacles, Trundle is incredibly frustrating to fight because he's one of those "Right click after a few spells and win" champs, Olaf 's entire kit is based around auto attacking and running at you like an idiot, has a single skillshot with a giant hitbox, free sustain, true damage, and an unstoppable ultimate. Nasus has the potential of infinite free damage that also cannot be avoided since it's an auto buff, Mordekaiser is buggy and annoying to fight against with even more damage on his Q that can't be avoided, and his slow is a huge AoE so it's also very hard to avoid. Yorick , yet another champion with an insanely powerful auto-buff that can't be avoided, heals him, and does a ton of damage. Volibear is so absolutely annoying to fight as Riven or Yasuo since he basically counters both of their playstyles, has a huge sustain passive, no skillshots, and tons of damage while building tanky. DrMundo I can only complain about his cleaver being really annoying and too easy to spam, other then that, no complaints. Udyr is annoying but can be dealt with by buying item 3047 to reduce his auto-based kit damage. And no one plays Shyvana even though she still hits like a truck. Every single juggernaut is extremely annoying to play against because their kits allow for easy use to defense and offense both, although Darius 's kit offers more offense then defense, it's easy to build him tank because item 3071 is just too strong an item on certain champs.

UnboundHades2 votes

10 months old, oh boy gotta post a wall of text

The Cane Master1 votes

{quoted}

Haha right in time, this post was created 10 months ago. What happened in the meantime is a mini OP rework of Chogath , item 3071 nerfs and a nerf to Darius 's passive. I guess Riot listened to me after, keep the downvote train going, it's not helping you. xD

LongHair Fox2 votes

Assuming darius is by far the best juggernaut why is he not seen at worlds at all? It is not because the class is just too weak, we have already seen trundle and nasus not to mention mordekaiser, which did honestly not seem to impressive. But trundle has been picked multiple times, to good success.

The Cane Master1 votes

[{quoted}](name=LongHair Fox,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uEXHEI0X,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-10-21T00:08:56.127+0000)

Assuming darius is by far the best juggernaut why is he not seen at worlds at all? It is not because the class is just too weak, we have already seen trundle and nasus not to mention mordekaiser, which did honestly not seem to impressive. But trundle has been picked multiple times, to good success.

Haha right in time, this post was created 10 months ago. What happened in the meantime is a mini OP rework of Chogath , item 3071 nerfs and a nerf to Darius 's passive. I guess Riot listened to me after, keep the downvote train going, it's not helping you. xD

Nosnide1 votes

Riot wants him that way. Which is why he just gets banned very often

The Cane Master1 votes

Exactly, and this is not healthy state of the game.

Isedelica1 votes

nah its between illaoiIllaoi and nasusNasus

The Cane Master1 votes

Have you not read the topic? He has 2nd highest play rate out of ALL top laners, and 11th win rate. No other Juggernaut is anywhere close to that.

http://champion.gg/champion/Darius

More from Gameplay

More by The Cane Master