Why are Kennen buffs on PBE?

Drunken Yasuo·Jun 27, 2015·81 votes·10,983 views

Kennen Mark of the Storm (Passive) Stun duration increased to 1.25 seconds from 1

Kennen doesnt need a buff, there are champion who need buffs and Kennen is obviously not in this pool.

91 Comments

RiotMeddlerJun 27, 201584 votes

This is just a tooltip fix, turns out Mark of the Storm's duration was increased to 1.25s years ago but that wasn't documented (our bad).

We've also got a second bug fix for Kennen in the upcoming patch that fixes a case where his W occasionally doesn't target enemies recently affected by his ult.

BetaDude40Jun 27, 201528 votes

summoner 13 , brought to you by your neighborhood Meddler.

Sid88Jun 27, 20154 votes

friendly neighborhood Meddler. xD

2152262661994Jun 27, 20152 votes

please fix the bug on renekton W.

If u stun someone at the same time that he flash u dont make any damage and u dont stun him

TahmKench ExpertJun 27, 20152 votes

If I didn't know any better, that would sound like the ability missed...

LegendmakerGXJun 27, 20153 votes

It can't it's a target spell so you can't miss either way even if they flash. It's just like darius ult.

ZedexJun 27, 20151 votes

Lol.

Thank you for admitting your mistake...That is a good thing to me..But my question is, how the EFF do you MISS THIS.

Kennen is in and out of Top lane in the LCS (well, not nearly as much anymore) and yet this had eluded you for YEARS. I hate to add insult to injury, but this is just extremely unprofessional and borderline unacceptable.

3TWarriorJun 27, 20152 votes

coming from a team of thousands to develop and maintain the game. it was probably a last minute decision at a board meeting or something and because the file was already saved, they forgot to save it into the document or something

ZedexJun 27, 20151 votes

Because that screams professionalism, doesn't it?

"We forgot or something, sorry."

The MunicipalityJun 27, 201514 votes

I just want to point out that we are discussing two numbers and a decimal point missed on a tool-tip, in a game with hundreds of tool-tips. Considering that Meddler just mentioned that it had absolutely no effect on actual gameplay, questioning professionalism just seems to be a bit nit picking to me.

Kuroi86Jun 27, 201512 votes

To add to this, we're talking about a game with over 60,000 files. If something doesn't get lost now and then, you're either bsing me, or you're friggen godly.

Auz the RipperJun 27, 201516 votes

I, AS AN ALMIGHY CUSTOMER, DEMAND ALL THE PROGRAMMERS WORKING ON LEAGUE OF LEGENDS BE INHUMAN GODS WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF EVER MAKING A MISTAKE EVER, EVER.

NinjaToad99Jun 27, 201534 votes

Did you ever time the Kennen stun and go "HOLY SHEET IT'S .25 SECONDS LONGER!"? No? Neither did anybody else ever.

TheRakkunJun 27, 20153 votes

The unseen stun is the deadliest.

AutoreactiveCD4Jun 27, 20154 votes

Took years for people to recognize it? Guess you could say it was a sunglasses ninja buff?

I'm sorry.

Mr GimixJun 27, 20151 votes

Is there going to be a bugfix for Kennen W being activated and going on CD (while doing absolutely nothing) when he walks out of range during the cast time?

Duke AnaxJun 27, 20151 votes

You know? This is indication of bad code.

The tooltip itself shouldn't ever have needed fixing, It should draw it's numbers from the same variable as the abbility..

Mistakes like this happen all the time and there probably are a couple hundred others like this if more of your code is that way.

Duke AnaxJun 27, 20152 votes

You know? This is indication of bad code.

The tooltip itself shouldn't ever have needed fixing, It should draw it's numbers from the same variable as the abbility..

Mistakes like this happen all the time and there probably are a couple hundred others like this if more of your code is that way.

Silents429Jun 27, 20153 votes

Everyone please take notice that Meddler has been commenting on threads like a storm.

Foxin Your MomJun 27, 20151 votes

Good to hear About the Bug Fix.

ArkenStormJun 28, 20151 votes

what about his E bug that doesn't actually give him 335 movespeed like it says it should? never does it grant the full amount.

SaltyKrackaJun 28, 20152 votes

It gives him a 100% movespeed buff, but it runs into the soft caps for movespeed.

OldypantsJun 28, 20151 votes

Thank goodness you're fixing that bug, really annoying to deal with.

Lil SoybeanJun 27, 201514 votes

I imagine the thought is like so: Running into the evemy team, CCing them and doing aoe damage are all things that tanks already accomplish just fine right now with a righteous glory - basically leaving kennen as a squishier, easier-to-kill version.

I'm sure he's not weak, but when the meta basically makes him redundant by having plenty of tanks do his job without dying, then a slight buff could be justified.

Such as a fourth of a second longer on his stun.

I could be wrong, but these are my thoughts.

SaltyKrackaJun 27, 20153 votes

Given that Kennen has bar none THE most spammable hard CC in the game, giving him extra duration on it is just asking for problems.

And he seriously doesn't need buffs.

Mandang0Jun 27, 20154 votes

Making clearly incorrect statements must be better when you exaggerate, huh?

"bbbut he doesn't have mana..." Riven

Rew711Jun 27, 20151 votes

Zilean has mana needs 160 mana + double landing of Q on same enemy or ally to stun stun goes up from only 1 to 1.5 seconds.

Can this stun, please, go up like this? If two hit, targets are stunned for 1.2/1.4/1.6/1.8/2 seconds. Can you, please, also allow Zilean to give some other bonus if he is able to use E twice on a enemy or ally. Nunu is able to speed up AS and MS with 50 mana and slow AS and MS (with damage) on his E for just 115 mana. Here's what I would want on Zilean's E, the same speed up or slow but with a 2/2.4/2.8/3.2/3.6 seconds of use, and if used again on the same ally or enemy, at the total cost of 100 mana, he will speed up or slow the ally or enemy AS by 5/10/15/20/25% or give them a sped up health or mana regen bonus that gives them +2/3/4/5/6 (+2% AP) for an extra 2/2.4/2.8/3.2/3.6 seconds.

Mandang0Jun 27, 20151 votes

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.

Are you trying to prove Kennen's too strong by comparing him to a champion that most people think is trash, especially after his rework? That's not a very compelling argument.

Rew711Jun 27, 20151 votes

Nah, I just got into a rant. If you want I'll delete it. I'm just mad Zilean doesn't have much and all they're going to possibly do is make his W free.

JustMyBassCannonJun 27, 20153 votes

He gains a quarter-second on the first stun, and an eighth of a second on subsequent stuns. For that to even measure an extra half-second, he has to stun the same person 3 times in a fight. Never mind that Tenacity still exists.

SaltyKrackaJun 27, 20151 votes

Think less the duration of one fight, and more the duration of a game.

JustMyBassCannonJun 27, 20153 votes

How is stun duration more important over the duration of a game instead of over the duration of a fight?

SaltyKrackaJun 27, 20151 votes

Because of all the trades it will win. All the time it will buy Kennens to just E away from ganks. All the time for junglers or other teammates to come in to grab kills.

JustMyBassCannonJun 27, 20154 votes

That's still focusing on the fight. CC creates a pause in the fight that allows others to capitalize. Yes, it's a slightly larger window of opportunity for Kennen and his allies. Kinda how a CC duration buff works, it's obviously the point of the buff.

And while some people call it unnecessary, Kennen's been underwhelming for a long time. Sure, he has one of the most easily repeatable stuns in the game, but it also has one of the highest requirements to actually land the stun.

SaltyKrackaJun 27, 20151 votes

Take a look at his winrates. Kennen's perfectly fine.

JustMyBassCannonJun 27, 20155 votes

Because win rate is a perfect measure of a champion's balance--OH WAIT, NOPE.

Win Rate is one indicator of a champion's current state of balance.

YumaS2AstralJun 27, 20155 votes

Riven has a knockup, which can't even be reduced by tenacity.

JustMyBassCannonJun 27, 20154 votes

Who the fuck was talking about Riven? How is that relevant at all?!?

YumaS2AstralJun 27, 20153 votes

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Making clearly incorrect statements must be better when you exaggerate, huh?

"bbbut he doesn't have mana..."

SaltyKrackaJun 27, 20159 votes

Yeah, I was kinda shocked when I saw it too.

Leaving aside that Kennen should never be allowed to be strong, he certainly doesn't need a boost now.

Only Play DariusJun 27, 201511 votes

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Yeah, I was kinda shocked when I saw it too.

I see what you did there. Clever.

LICENSED HOOKERJun 27, 20154 votes

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I see what you did there. Clever.

item 3071 ? im just reachin ._.

Only Play DariusJun 27, 20152 votes

It was a good try.

Kuroi86Jun 27, 20151 votes

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? im just reachin ._.

Blitzcrank o.o

LICENSED HOOKERJun 27, 20151 votes

Oh ahah that _grabbed _my attention

SinlaireJun 27, 20151 votes

Azir Shurima!

Did i do it right?

vIbvdOwbkoJun 27, 20152 votes

why not?? dont u like getting cancer everytime u play toplane?

LICENSED HOOKERJun 27, 20154 votes

electric cancer*

TST FioraJun 27, 20151 votes

Thats why you dont put a silver 5 player cough morello cough in the balancing team. Just because noone in his elo plays kennen he doesnt have to buff him.

AnidanJun 27, 20152 votes

He's the face of the team, but not necessarily the final say in what changes go through. Don't blame one man for a whole team's missteps.

Also, this is the first time I've seen a post about Kennen in a long time. At least I'm right in saying that every champion that has ever been strong for any period of time is called cancerous.