"Riven has been struggling against too many top laners for too long" - 6.17 patch notes

Drunken Yasuo·8/23/2016, 6:21:00 PM·230 votes·9,858 views

ye 50,74% winrate for a high skill ceiled champion i see shes hard underpowered and sure struggles alot with her 4 free escapes on low cooldown which she can use in every direction she wants to get ungankable.

another perma banned cancer champ bois

https://i.imgur.com/Divi9yo.png?1

206 Comments

Kaioko8/23/2016, 6:27:33 PM58 votes

This change is nothing too crazy honestly. Her ultimate is by far not the main source of her damage. It's like people saying the vayne buffs are going to be overpowered. Better actually play the champion before you make that statement.

Apocalypsic8/23/2016, 6:25:36 PM36 votes

It's not even a massive buff.......

Her current win rate with people of 125+ games played is really low for as you said, a high skill ceiling champ.

The buffs are justified, but I will also agree that they're not exactly necessary.

The only reason she'll be perma banned is simply because people don't realize how this really changes nothing about her.

ModAcademy Kayn8/23/2016, 8:16:09 PM17 votes

Half the people in this thread don't understand how to actually read statistics. If you look at any champ who is being played by a experienced +125 games player, they are usually above 50% like 54%-56%. Take a champ like Riven who has a high skill cap, and those +125 game Rivens have a 50%-ish winrate, which indicates that Riven isn't doing well when those who are experienced with her aren't exceeding the 50% like other champs.

specter4248/23/2016, 6:35:42 PM12 votes

yep favoritism games riven has all of what 2-3 matchups you could consider hard? and even those you can win if you are good unlike other champions.

Lohenngramm8/24/2016, 8:37:11 AM10 votes

I remember when I first began playing this game I strode all the way down that glorious top lane There I met my first Riven main Who would go on to cause me great personal pain.

She'd hop three times, "quite cute" I'd say Until I realized that her engage would keep me at bay. That dash and those hops, that shield and that stun, "Such BS!" I'd rage Then my salt turned to tears, for she had backed and bought a Phage.

I raged and I swore, I'd frown and I'd pout, But no one one my team dared help me out. They'd say "Riven is fed! Surrender at 20!" "We'll face her 5v1" I replied "That will be plenty!"

We drew her out, far from her team, and emerged from the bushes with the following scream: "We can take her! She's gotten far too cocky! When we're finished she'll be as sore as a champion jockey!"

She looked quite calm and quick as a flash Had stunned our whole team with a well timed dash. Her blade was reforged, it cut through us all. Nothing could save us, not even our Yasuo's WindWall.

So I sat at my desk and I cried and I cried, "Why did you make this champion Rito? Why, oh why?!"

As I sat in despair, my vision gone black I met a nice man with a scroll on his back. He looked at me kindly and said: "I've been freshly updated and made many gains And I look forward to playing in the glorious top lane."

"You say that now friend" I cried, "But soon you will see top lane is for Riven mains, and none such as we."

He laughed good naturedly and said with a smile "Young man, I have an ability you haven't seen in quite awhile. This ability is really something, you see It's a 2 second, point-and-click root at level 3."

I looked up and smiled and shook the man's hand And we walked down the lane like some glorious band.

Riven mains used to give me much trouble you see. They'd hop and they'd dash, Then they'd stun me.

But now I main Ryze with his shield and his root and his great level 3, And now Riven mains have trouble with me.

Nahui8/23/2016, 6:27:25 PM9 votes

4 free escapes? What?

xXxAltaïrrxXx8/23/2016, 8:41:25 PM6 votes

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ye 50,74% winrate for a high skill ceiled champion i see shes hard underpowered and sure struggles alot with her 4 free escapes on low cooldown which she can use in every direction she wants to get ungankable.

another perma banned cancer champ bois

https://i.imgur.com/Divi9yo.png?1

Irs because of Championship Riven. Its so obvious...

DænariusKhølerin8/24/2016, 12:38:16 AM5 votes

I don't get the buff at all. I mean, it doesn't actually mean crap. It's almost a QoL change or something, lol.

SpookyNeedle8/23/2016, 10:20:57 PM4 votes

"4 free escapes" you'd lose damage and engage potential if you used all 4 to escape, and they're low cd if you have cdr

Wait I just noticed your name, doesn't riven counter Yasuo?

TheOvermind8/24/2016, 1:48:15 AM4 votes

what i hate about riven the most, is the fact that if she gets even slightly ahead, she will make your life miserable; she will get in your face with any chance she gets, will stay on top of you without you being able to outrun her because of her dashes and CC, she will bully the fuck out of you , forcing you to hug tower and when she finally shoves you in, she tower dives you. BUT here is the funny thing , when she dives you, it's not a matter of ''will i survive?'' but a matter of "will she die afterwards or will she get away with a free kill ?" in other words a lose - not lose(draw) stuation

and then should she ever fall behind , it's always up to her if she wants to fight, is still very safe and cannot be bullied as hard as she bullies you when ahead. yep , the fact that she can do that just blows my mind.

it makes me feel like i can only either lose or not lose vs riven. there is no victory. people have said something similar about ahri.

Canastus8/24/2016, 10:27:27 AM4 votes

The only reason they're buffing her is to sell her championship skin, that's it. It's all about business for Riot, they couldn't care less about actual balance.

GULAG 4 U8/24/2016, 10:42:32 PM3 votes

They meant aatrox, they buffed the wrong champion xD

Gregor Gysi8/23/2016, 10:40:12 PM1 votes

I main Riven since she got her shield nerfed in Season 4 and I really don't like this. Yes, Riven sucked nearly the whole season. She was pure trash from the first preseason patch on. Carry junglers and Tank toplaners really were not her thing and those few carries that were viable (aka Fiora and GP) simply outclassed Riven. But the meta is changing now. Carry toplaners are coming back and Riven started to do fine. Not op, not up, just fine. Sort of viable but definetely not even close to being strong enough for competetive.. But this buff is going to make her actually viable in a way that Riven mains will be performing actually good. Keep in mind that Riven players have in average a 141 games experience with Riven and still "only" a <51% winrate. But that's good because Riven is a really popular champion. Every dedicated toplane main tried her atleast once. Most of them had great fun with her. Only some of them manage to find success with her/are dedicated enough to play her despite there being stronger champions. But if Riven is actually viable her playrate is going to explode. And a high playrate directly equals a high banrate. Playing against Riven is usually perceived as sort of irritating. Playing against Riven in every 4th game is perceived as obnoxious. So please, for the sake of Riven mains, please revert that buff and decrease her movespeed by 1.