does luden's echo work on Gp's q?

bet riot will try, and they did

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Yes it works on his Q. Ignore these ignorant fools.

Lich bane procs on Q, Lichbane requires a spell use to proc, so therefore GP Q is a spell.

Boom logic. Can't argue that now. But I bet they will try.

The game's programming doesn't care about logic. :(

GP's Q is flagged to trigger "on-hit" effects which includes the bonus damage from sheen and items that build from it.

There's also a flag for crit. GP's Q has this flag but MF's Q and Ez Q do not, even though they have the "on-hit" flag.

The bonus damage from sheen items is applied after activating an ability unless the ability is flagged not to (for example, toggle abilities like Ashe Q are flagged not to) this isn't the same flag used for spell vamp/rylai's or other "spell hit" effects. So sheen items including lich bane have nothing to do with spell hits. They have to do with ability activations.

There is another flag for spell hit effects. This flag has some subflags that are used for things like Spell Vamp, Rylai's, Furor Enchantment, Liandry's, etc... GP's Q does not have this flag. Luden's Echo uses this flag so GP's Q does not trigger it.

There's a main flag for spell hits. If only this flag is on, you get 35% Rylai's, 100% Spell Vamp, Furor enchantment, Liandry's, and Luden's. There's a sub flag that marks it as AoE. This reduces Rylai's to 15%, Spell Vamp to 33%, and disables Furor. There's another sub flag that marks it as DoT. This reduces Rylai's to 15% and disables Furor but leaves Spell Vamp at 100%. So regardless of which type of spell hit flag, you always get Liandry's and Luden's, but many abilities don't have any kind of spell hit flag. The most notable ones are GP Q, Ez Q, and MF Q which don't have it.

This.