My GF Asked, "Why are they all fighting each other?"

TaoistMaster·Jan 28, 2016·207 votes·19,101 views

I didn't have an answer...

218 Comments

Itadaki SeiekiJan 28, 2016114 votes

What level do you get a girlfriend?

Do you need Mastery Five as someone?

TaoistMasterJan 28, 201690 votes

Just need to land Ahri's charm Ahri

ujf2qEqxi9Jan 28, 201616 votes

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Just need to land Ahri's charm

Best gf to have. That orgasm on death... mmmm

woobeeJan 28, 201687 votes

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu251/cheeruru/LOL/surprise.gif

James StoneJan 29, 20167 votes

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Best gf to have. That orgasm on death... mmmm

It is somewhat disturbing your paradigm of "girlfriend quality" seems to rest solely on the noise she would make upon her death...

Out of pure curiosity, how long do your relationships tend to last?

PaladinNOJan 29, 20165 votes

I'm guessing he's not referring to her death, but his death, when Ahri takes his soul. http://gameinfo.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/ahri/

...apply undefined lovemaking where appropriate in the lore.

Obvious be obvious.

UB3R 1337 H4XJan 28, 20169 votes

LegacyDAPJan 28, 20164 votes

Well. Uh. Hm...

chipi99Jan 28, 201623 votes

If I remeber correctly you go out into a busy city (usually lumbirdge) and say "buying gf"

NautodayJan 29, 201617 votes

Actually, it's Varrock.

Gear KittyJan 28, 201664 votes

Neither does Riot

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

RiotmoonstonesJan 30, 201660 votes

We're all actually fighting for mana pots.

ZydronJan 30, 20168 votes

So we are fighting the red side shopkeeper?

RiotmoonstonesJan 30, 201613 votes

*Grabs a pitchfork* Leggo.

charcharmunroJan 30, 20161 votes

Is this why nobody plays Galio , then? Because Debonair Galio already has access to them?

RiotmoonstonesJan 30, 20169 votes

He drank the mana pots, and we couldn't replenish quickly enough, so there aren't enough to go around. D:

CrownsyJan 28, 201654 votes

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I didn't have an answer...

you should have just said "Soon"

then in 3 years when she asks again? "Soon"

it might also help to release a video clip every 3 months and call it lore.

Karma DeifiedJan 28, 201617 votes

I didn't get it at first, then I remembered the murder of the lore. I am ashamed.

R.I.P. lore

MasterkerfuffleJan 29, 201615 votes

I've just decided to pretend that the old lore still exists. Riot can't take that away from me.

IcyPepperJan 28, 201613 votes

Why are they fighting in Super Smash Bros?

League of Legends the game is separate from the lore. Some games integrate their gameplay and story (basically the game is the story), and some games segregate their game and story.

I get it, we used to have that integration but Riot forcibly separated it. But other games do it, and there's nothing wrong with it.

A proper answer to your gf's question would be, "It's basically a battle arena for legendary warriors, and I am a summoner that is controlling them. The lore, the stories of which they are born in, are completely separate from the game. It's kind of like Super Smash Bros, because realistically Samus wouldn't be fighting Bowser in a Metroid game."

XulsigaeJan 28, 201611 votes

Though, Super Smash does have a reason, however small, for the fighting. It's a kid playing with models of these characters. League doesn't even have that.

IcyPepperJan 28, 20161 votes

We're all-powerful summoners controlling echoes of these legends, or something. It's just as complicated as a kid playing with toys, except instead of toys we're using magic.

Basically, to extend my explaination, let me try a side-by-side comparison:

Mario in SMB: A toy a kid is playing with to fight other toys.

Garen in LoL: A summoned hero a summoner is controlling to fight other summons in a battle arena.

Mario in his lore: A plumber that saves the princess of the Mushroom Kingdom when she gets kidnapped.

Garen in his lore: A hero of his country locked in a war against another, with possible ties to an assassin that goes against what Demacia stands for.

However, to be fair, it's not like we fight against Master Summoners in LoL like the Master Hand in SMB. Story mode, please Riot? D:

ZarkkastJan 28, 20168 votes

Except summoners don't exist anymore for like two years now.

IcyPepperJan 28, 20161 votes

Not in the lore, no.

I don't think anyone is hearing what I'm saying :/

ZarkkastJan 28, 20165 votes

Yes, in the lore.

Most of the lores currently up are not canon anymore since the lore revamp.

Riot just didn't bother to write up new lore after they scrapped summoners and the Institute of War.

QuortJan 29, 20161 votes

I get what you're saying (I think). Summoners don't exist in the lore; you're using the concept of a "summoner" to make a comparison to a child playing with models.

IcyPepperJan 29, 20162 votes

Basically.

Each of the toys in SSB have their own stories, but that's not their stories in SSB.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 29, 20163 votes

The story in SSBB is that a kid is using these toys that represent characters with their own stories from other games and pits them all against each other.

League of Legends however has no such kid. We are NOT all-powerful summoners. Those do not exist in the lore. Therefore we are merely imaginary beings taking characters from a generic fantasy world (as interesting as it comes, it's still the generic "magic land") and pitting them against each other.

And that's the problem. We don't exist anymore. It was both a completely literal and figurative disconnection between the lore and the player. The kid exists in smash, the summoners in league do not.

TransgressorJan 28, 201611 votes

Shouldn't a taoist master have an answer on why people wage war?

Pale PirateJan 28, 201611 votes

Rito: We believe removing constraints like the summoners will help us to avoid using it as an excuse to get our champions to fight, so we can focus on greater stories.

Later that day: ** Riot 1**: Agh! I no longer know what our characters should fight for! Riot 2: I have an idea!

Kindred Impersonation of death. Karthus Prophet of death. Mordekaiser Lord of death. item 3742 Dead Man's Plate. Rengar Death.

XulsigaeJan 29, 20165 votes

Olaf: Death sounds like fun!

QuortJan 29, 20162 votes

That's not what they said. They're main argument for removing the League was because, as long as the League was canon, they had to create reasons for the Champions to join or exist in the League and that was extremely limiting. Removing the League allows Riot to flesh out Champions' stories without having to force them back to the Institute of War in some way.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 29, 20163 votes

It's not limiting at all. Name one champion that is limited by this and I can easily give you the reason they'd join.

QuortJan 29, 20162 votes

It's limiting because Riot always needs to come back to the Institute of War meaning Champions cannot development outside of the League. Look at Cho Gath for example; as long as he is in the League he doesn't exist except as a Champion. There's no room for expansion, especially since he's kept there forcibly.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 29, 20164 votes

The real question here is what lore is there to be derived from a roaming Cho'Gath? He eats everything. Same goes for Kog Maw. Such beings would fit much better into the old lore via background expansion rather than attempting to create lore past their captures -- which is pretty much exactly what all old lore consisted of outside of events. Is that a bad thing? I definitely don't think so seeing as typically when I read background lore I expect to see background lore.

TL;DR - Further Cho lore would be backsteps, telling tales of the Void or perhaps maybe he had some hand in what went on in the Howling Abyss, who knows?

Any other champion you think is unable to thrive in an IoW environment?

QuortJan 29, 20161 votes

ChoGath is a highly intelligent void being and I believe most people forget that precisely because of the lack of expansion to his current. His goal is supposedly to consume the world, but do we really know? All Void creatures have a propensity to destroy but there seems to be overwhelming evidence that it's not simply for the sake of destruction (KogMaw, KhaZix, and VelKoz actively try to learn about their surroundings and adapt to Runeterra). As long as the Institute of War is canon, ChoGath has no story outside of his capture. In fact, many of the Void creatures and even the Void itself will remain unexplored. There are plenty of ways ChoGath can or could have interacted with Runeterra and the other Champions that would create a compelling story.

I agree that it's important that each Champion have a fundamental background to build upon but most of them are just uninspired (just look at Evelynn's lore; it doesn't actually provide anything substantial).

I'm sure you could come up with plenty of reasons for most Champions to join the League, that's not the issue. The issue is that that limits the storytelling. If the Institute of War was canon, everything would be stagnant and the story of Runeterra could not progress.

I like the movement Riot has made with their lore, though I am a little miffed at how long it has taken to come out. The newer Champions, like Bard and Kindred, have no place in an Institute of War. It just gets in the way of what's possible.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 30, 20164 votes

Yes, Cho is intelligent, which is entirely a point i thought of when thinking what he could be outside the rift. Well, nothing. He just wants to destroy everything. The best he can do is play the villain in some other champion's lore or an event.

Therefore, the concept of expanding his background is a much more attractive option (i would really like it if he actually did have a hand in the Howling Abyss).

And Evelynn's lore sucks because it was uninspired and written badly. As one of the earlier champs this sort of thing happens. But she could play all kinds of roles in the IoW. Summoners may be powerful, but they aren't gods. They can't control everything. Nor can they control each other.

There's plenty of lore possibilities for both the IoW itself and every champion in it. If they really wanted it gone they should have had an event where the summoners were all killed and the IoW destroyed. How is this possible? Well, another summoner war, brought about by thirst for power, manipulation, etc. Voidling invasion? Watcher's return? I fail to see the limitations here.

Only Play DariusJan 28, 20167 votes

Because everyone on League hates eachother

The LovelessJan 29, 20167 votes

For the poro snacks

AnihakuJan 28, 20165 votes

What does the old lore say?

I was told (could very well be inaccurate) that SR was used to settle arguments/disagreements/war/etc for each of the nations. They would have their representative (champions) fight for their purpose, whatever it may be.

I actually am curious if this is correct or not. If not, what was the real reason behind it all.

Anyone? O.o

kitcat300Jan 28, 20165 votes

Yes that was the leagues original goal. However the writers felt that with each new champion, they were having less and less of a logical reason to willingly join.

They believe that without the Institute of war, they can create better characters.

XulsigaeJan 28, 20169 votes

They stated that in much worse terms though. The announcement was riddled with lack of understanding their own lore.

Weeb GuardianJan 28, 20168 votes

I actually loved the lore, and the journal of justice, both removed because of 'meh improvement'

I knew everything there was to be known about LoL lore, when they decided to overhaul it i was like: Yeeeeaaaaa fck it, it was fine as it was before, why did u have to remove this awesome lore and replace it with a non existant institute of war?

The game went from: Search for peace or power (or both) through small scale wars/help from summoners To: Random people killing each other for reasons, but where the fck do the maps and nexus come in? There is no need for this sht anymore as THERE IS NO SUMMONING, so wtf are we actually playing? 'leage of how it could have been if the institute of war existed, yet it doesn't so idk wtf u guys are actually doing here'

Rito better rename LoL to that LohichbitIoWeyidsidkwtfugaadh

It isn't as easy to pronounce as LoL, but we better learn to pronounce it, as that's what LoL became

Jack ºJan 28, 20164 votes

MAJOR EDIT: I am really bad with lore, sorry lol. Just wanted to point out that some joined just for destruction. I didn't think i'd be downvoted for being wrong :l thanks to the people who tried to actually help fix my mistakes <3 rather then just hate it right away for being wrong

LF AnnieJan 28, 201622 votes

Draven doesnt want destruction, he wants attention.

macromiteJan 28, 20163 votes

annie, gangplank, graves, karthus, katarina, kha'zix, rengar, tryndamere, vel'koz, yorick, and ziggs aren't in it for pure violence. annie kills because she is a child with power and doesn't know any better, gangplank kills becuase he wants power, graves kills because he wants something else, karthus kills becuase he thinks that death helps people, katarina is an assassin and killing is her job, kha'zix kills so that he can evolve, rengar kills things because he enjoys hunting, tryndamere kills only when he has to, vel'koz kills to learn, yorick doesn't realize he's killing, to him everyone is already dead and he's just burying them, and ziggs doesn't just go around blowing stuff up, he just makes things that explode and then he tests them.

MoonshadeJan 28, 201623 votes

Aatrox wants war because he thrives on it, Annie just wants to have fun (which can entail anarchy), Gangplank wants the world under his boot, Graves wanted revenge for being betrayed but now he's just a merc, Karthus wants to kill everyone and gift them with undeath since he views that as the perfect existence, Katarina just follows Noxus high command and values strength above all else (believing that being the strongest gives them the right to rule all), Kha wants to consume and evolve to be perfect, Rengar wants a challenge cuz stabby kitty loves the adrenaline rush of hunting, Thresh wants all the souls so he can spend eternity having fun torturing them, Tryndamere just wants peace in the Frejlyord, Vel wants to disintegrate everything so he can understand everything, Ziggs doesn't want destruction its just every time he invents something it exploded so he decided to start making bombs instead since that's what all his inventions wound up being anyway.

Most champions join the League for government reasons (Almost All Noxus Champions, Almost All Demacia Champions, Karma , Irelia , Gangplank ) Some join for personal goals ( Ahri become human without having to kill legions of humans, Xerath use the energy of the nexuses to break free from his bindings, Azir gain assistance in bringing back Shurima, Illaoi spread the glory of Nagakaborous, Yasuo protection while he looks for the person who framed him) Others join because they love to fight and wanted to find the strongest fighters ( Jax , Aatrox , MonkeyKing , Fiora ) Some joined because it looked fun ( Annie , Lulu , Gnar , Orianna (the original Orianna wanted to join because it looked fun and it was a glory filled position but she died in a training accident causing her father to go mad with grief and make a robot in his daughters image who shares her dream)) Some got captured and forced to join ( , Chogath , KogMaw , likely Jhin ) Some joined to be able to eternally take vengeance on a specific champion through killing them over and over ( Diana , Lucian , Graves before he made up with TF) Some joined to try and actually kill their rivals ( Lucian , Diana ) Some joined because they love to kill ( Vladimir , Olaf ) Some joined because they wanted something specific from the Summoners but they made the champions fight to earn it ( Zilean wanted to be able to stay in a specific time, Amumu wanted a friend, Maokai wants to be turned back into a normal tree, Twitch wanted help to discover the chemical formula that gave him sentience so he can make a city of intelligent rats) Some joined to prove themselves ( Heimerdinger , Ekko , Veigar ) and theres many more reasons too but I'm not going to go over all 130 some champions to explain them all :P

The WhamboozlerJan 29, 20168 votes

Except there isn't a league anymore so.... all of that above is null and void. Sorry.

THAT was the OP's point. There isn't lore behind the game anymore.

WerefoxFeb 1, 20162 votes

How do I thumbs up this comment?

Seriously, removing the League, especially by the whole "It just doesn't exist." instead of say, I dunno, having Noxus or the Void characters destroy it, was a super dumb decision by the lore team.

JasiwelJan 28, 20161 votes

I'm still trying to figure out what Summoners are now in relation to Summoner's Rift and why we summon stuff to fight in the first place. Maybe I missed it somewhere, but what is the point of summoning?