Y'know, nerfing deathfire and lethality was already enough.
But there is no upside to his Q nerf. Why not reduce the cooldown when hitting blight stacks more than just breaking even compared to his old Q CD? So people actually get rewarded for playing like an ad carry and not a poke bot?
This makes no sense. If you want people to play crit varus, make crit worth building. No one is going to play Varus at all now.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesBecause he was OP?
I believe when someone is OP you nerf them.
Also, don't run DFT on crit Varus. And Lethality nerfs don't affect crit Varus either. In fact, Crit varus has only gotten buffs, which was the passive change earlier.
Mizaya1 votesBecause he was OP?
I believe when someone is OP you nerf them.
Also, don't run DFT on crit Varus. And Lethality nerfs don't affect crit Varus either. In fact, Crit varus has only gotten buffs, which was the passive change earlier.
How so? Lethality build didn't really make auto attacking important. Thus the changes to him directly had minimal impact on a lethality build. He wans't OP as a champion, Lethality was OP.
And that got nerfed, on top of dft.
When someone is OP, you nerf them, but you nerf them the right amount. This is overkill. Crit varus got one buff? Better nerf everything that make lethality OP then put general nerfs on top of that.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=WE Mizaya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2dkyb8g,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-03-10T21:24:06.761+0000)
How so? Lethality build didn't really make auto attacking important. Thus the changes to him directly had minimal impact on a lethality build. He wans't OP as a champion, Lethality was OP.
And that got nerfed, on top of dft.
When someone is OP, you nerf them, but you nerf them the right amount. This is overkill. Crit varus got one buff? Better nerf everything that make lethality OP then put general nerfs on top of that.
So he used to be bad-not great.
Then he got a buff.
His winrate after that buff is very hard to tell, due to Lethality breaking him.
Even now, your 44% winrate probably includes nerfed Lethality users and people just switching over to Crit/AS who don't know how to play it yet. Give it time, see if it levels out.
SanKakU1 votesI think I'll still play him. Sure, my chance of sniping enemies to death goes down, but my dueling doesn't really change much. Sure, I lost some power in Precision in my mastery page...but so did everyone else...that enemy Lux will now hurt me less with her Thunderlord's Decree. Got to learn to look on the bright side of things.
I think him losing damage is more important than losing some Q frequency. Even if he isn't great still as a bottom lane carry, you can still support with him playing AP with these changes. It's not like they cut his Q range or something like that. He still gets picked by me for having good poke range I would think.
These changes may be a bit of a bait and switch...intending for players that liked poking with Varus and in general being shitty ADCs to abuse the lethality changes and then goad them into playing Varus AP support to make game search times better. Not enough people playing support at the moment.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshow does lux hurt you less with the nerfs to varus ?
SanKakU1 votesWell, it's not likely she took Intelligence in her mastery page, is it? There are only two options when she grabs Thunderlord's Decree.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesok but u dont explain how she does less damage to varus if varus is nerfed
SanKakU1 votesShe lost power in precision also. Just like anyone else that takes that mastery.
robotmaster1 votesWhy is 44% bad? That is a normal win rate.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesWhy is 44% bad? That is a normal win rate.
Mordepool1 votes[{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2dkyb8g,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-03-10T23:52:34.472+0000)
Mordekaiser had that winrate for a year. No buffs and just indirect nerfs to follow. But before that he was OP. See the relationship
Mizaya1 votesBTW I have yet to see high elo players building crit very much yet after nerfs, most of them are still building lethality.
He is at 44% winrate and it is still ambiguous whether crit or lethality is better.
Dynikus1 votesmost of them are still building lethality.
have you considered that that could be the problem? Lethality varus got nerfed, obviously building it isn't going to be as effective.
Nick Da Chip1 votesAll varus' needs is his CD's to decrease from popping blight. I thought that was the direction riot was going with him but it didn't happen. Honestly I think having his E decrease from popping blight rather than Q would be quite a good buff. Varus' wants to pop blight and e doesn't scale to a point of it being op.
Thinking about it, having multiple hail of arrows on the ground would feel pretty sweet with varus'.
lilpokfluf1 votesThe nerfs were to force more interaction from varus Q spammers. Once the people who bandwagoned onto the poke lethality build leave his win rate will probably even out once the people who don't read patch notes realize what's happened.
