There is really only one problem with ADC itemization

Mizaya·10/22/2017, 4:45:43 AM·20 votes·1,104 views

Stattik Shiv + IE.

This is a very strong powerspike at 2 items, as Shiv's Crit value as well as energize value get amplified by the purchase of IE. This burst of damage makes ADCs that build the two items much stronger than they would be with another zeal item if they crit.

That being said, I'm seeing a lot of posts claiming crit itemization as wholly overpowered. But, if we take pre-marksman rework itemization and current itemization and compare them side by side, pre-rework wins in terms of DPS (Think PD having 50% AS and 35% crit), while having just about the same cost.

Which leads us to conclude: is the power of ADCs in the meta then a result of a couple of items (Shiv being the main culprit, and Shiv + RFC as 2 items), or is it because of something else. Or, more likely, it is some of both, but very likely the latter.

32 Comments

Kaìju10/22/2017, 8:32:57 AM4 votes

ADC main here, I started in season 4 and even back then I knew Statik IE was bullshit, or whenever it was I realized you could crit the AOE damage. I personally would buff RFC so that it's extra range effect lasts maybe 2 seconds, but you can't buy shiv if you do, kinda like Titanic. And the 2 second duration for range is because nobody ever buys RFC without getting Statik, so they need to do something to make it appealing and allowing a small window of siege or more safety seems better. It would work well on Marksmen with high attack speed to get maybe 4 hits I but lower ones only 2.

SSShutTheDuckUp10/22/2017, 10:30:24 AM2 votes

There are A LOT of problems with crit itemization. It is far too cheap for its power and far too powerful for its price

yoshi279010/22/2017, 5:25:57 PM2 votes

It's also way too early into the game! item 3031 3400g + item 3087 2600g = 6000g. For a late game focused, 'I get all the gold in the game' and 'I also have a babysit' role, this is too cheap for everything it gives. It is stronger than tank items: item 3075 item 3083 item 3025 item 3742 item 3068 and doesn't even cost much more!

Give item 3031 it's plus 10 ad back, for 3800 gold and give zeal items increased cost by 400 gold. (doesn't need a buff IMO.) item 3094 item 3087 synergises WAY too well, is WAY too cost-efficient and too cheap.

ADC's spike in the midgame instead of the late game. Just listen to LCS KogMaw with item 3124 item 1001 Caster: Wow Kog'maw has spiked and will deal huge damage! Caitlyn item 3031 item 3087 Caster: She will be so strong right now! Better watch out, you don't want to get caught!

I'm fine with ADC being super strong late game, but not with 2 items at 15-20 minutes. ONLY in the late game.

SwiftKitten8810/22/2017, 8:37:34 PM2 votes

there is also item 3508

which gives adc's 30% cdr for thier normal build which. cause the lot of the "sustained burst" issues adc arn't SUPPOSED to get CDR.

LegacyDAP10/22/2017, 6:26:03 AM2 votes

Biggest problem with crit is that there isn't many crit items, but the crit items have a lot of crit on them. Statik has 30%, RFC has 30%, and PD has 30%, and Runaan's has 30%. Why aren't there like 6 items with 20% crit chance like IE? Why they all have to give 30%?

Now that I think about it. The biggest problem with crit is how inconsistent it is.

Potchikir10/22/2017, 8:09:06 PM1 votes

riot should make shiv weaker for ranged champions

Sasogwa10/22/2017, 11:48:51 PM1 votes

remember the times where statikk was 20 % crit and runaans wasn't a crit item? Pepperidge farm remembers

Shuyin17810/22/2017, 12:59:17 PM1 votes

Statikk Shiv + Rapid Firecannon

Biscuit Bite10/22/2017, 1:02:02 PM1 votes

So, you just want adc more useless than they are. ADC should do the most damage in the game and assassins should kill single targets easly.

FlameHalbrdOkido10/22/2017, 3:22:33 PM1 votes

Honestly what could go wrong if they removed crit, reduced crit or reworked it 2 do something else. Tho I do like the idea of spreading it out over more items.

Crit is bad but life steal is probably worse I don't think it should be easily as assessible to marksmen, as it should be meant b for other classes namely the melee ones, it doesn't make sense on marksmen health wise given all the other advantages they have.

Additionally not all marksmen should have the same lol of access to burst items

I think that they should go back to being good at DPS

Serika Zero10/22/2017, 3:58:07 PM1 votes

the only reason people complained about ADCs being weak at the start of the season was the 4-5 man parties bot. once players got used to it, they adapted and adc lulz21k7 was just but a meme.

tho, riot didn't get the memo and buffed the living shit ouf of adcs even tho they started to do well once more.