My lane is 3-0-0 at level 6. I'm being 100 to 0'd in a single combo. I can't play the game.

Yenn·Jul 16, 2019·60 votes·15,007 views

I'm mid against Akali. She killed my jungler three times, and all three times were because of stupid decisions on his part.

The first time, he invaded red, and then did krugs. The enemy saw and collapsed on him. Akali got the kill and double buff. The second time, he tried to fight over a scuttle while I didn't have priority, because the Akali has double buff, and died again. The third time, he tried to invade again while I was completely OOM. I pinged my mana and for him to retreat, but he continued, and died a third time as they collapsed on him.

At this point, as soon as I entered lane, Akali 100 to 0'd me from full health. I literally cannot play the game beyond sitting under my turret and farming, while she roams to other lanes and one shots them. The jungle got invaded and left, then we opened mid around 9 minutes, because none of us could do anything at this point.

Can we please fucking fix this?** It should not be possible for a lane to be put into an unplayable state within the first 6 minutes of the game.**

138 Comments

5050BSJul 16, 201933 votes

Its because CT shit has no balance

Jimmy RustlesJul 16, 201928 votes

Akali has always been a disgusting champion

She did this pre rework, and she does it after the rework

The entire champ needs to be thrown out, she'll never be balanced

YennJul 16, 201940 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:10:00.239+0000)

Akali has always been a disgusting champion

She did this pre rework, and she does it after the rework

The entire champ needs to be thrown out, she'll never be balanced

This isn't an Akali problem, the same applies to virtually any mid champion getting that many kills early. The root of the issue is that one player should not be able to completely sabotage a lane like this, that early into the game.

XavanicJul 16, 20199 votes

{quoted}

This isn't an Akali problem, the same applies to virtually any mid champion getting that many kills early. The root of the issue is that one player should not be able to completely sabotage a lane like this, that early into the game.

actually this very much is an akali problem, this is the very reason why her shroud is getting changed, unless your playing someone with very strong AoE you can't kill her in shroud rn

FioraWillCarryJul 16, 20195 votes

Irelia is even more ridiculous than Akali. Hell, last week I had a game on Jax where I was up against a noob shit feeder that fed me 3 kills very early into the game. The next 10 minutes was me pushing top land insta-killing anything that came to stop me. At one point, I killed their entire team by myself as they came to stop me from pushing down top. Was the most free game I played in years.

Akali isn't the only champion that gets ridiculous quickly.

ZaFishboneJul 16, 20193 votes

So what, you want junglers to be worth 0 gold or something? Maybe only your opposing laner should be worth any gold to you, to discourage any macro play completely?

BeastDaArvJul 16, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:10:00.239+0000)

Akali has always been a disgusting champion

She did this pre rework, and she does it after the rework

The entire champ needs to be thrown out, she'll never be balanced

there are so many champs that can 100 to 0 their laner with a 3 kill lead even if their enemy laner hasn’t die yet Fizz Irelia Katarina Kassadin Qiyana Zed Zoe Yasuo Xerath Vladimir Velkoz Veigar Talon Syndra

ChaosReynJul 16, 20193 votes

With a 3 kill lead, even Caitlyn can do it. Her burst potential with a lead is pretty rough. You step on a trap, you die. You step too close for cs, Auto/E/Q/Auto, there went at least 70% of your hp, and you're dead if that first auto was her headshot unless you're like Leo, Braum or Naut.

KFCeytronJul 16, 201922 votes

At the end of the day, LoL is a team game. If someone on your team makes several errors that significantly help someone on the enemy team, that might be the deciding factor in an otherwise equal match. It sucks when your team loses due to no fault of your own, but that's how a team game operates. =\

MarshbouyJul 16, 20192 votes

this is the correct response

KazekibaJul 16, 201913 votes

Assassins snowball. Thats her job.

[sg-ahri-3]

YennJul 16, 201927 votes

{quoted}

Assassins snowball. Thats her job.

[sg-ahri-3]

Under no circumstance should my lane become an unplayable clusterfuck by 6 minutes without me making mistakes, period.

MrFawknSunshineJul 16, 201918 votes

well it was decided by akali roaming and take advantage else where on the map.

if your laner gets ahead it dont matter how or where.

it would be the same if you went 0-3 vs her in lane.

she got ahead . cant punish a player for doing well and taking advantage of others mistakes regardless of who made the mistake.

1 shut down with the bounty gold and you are practically even with her

Lo4dingJul 16, 20192 votes

From all comments you made. It looks like that you lack fundamentals. If you lack micro to beat fed opponent than possible strategy to play against fed opponent (except zed) is to freeze under tower and try to make up gold. If she roams, shovel and she loose a lot of exp and gold. Play safe until laning phase is over. No game is decided by 3 kills early. I have won games where enemy ended 17/3 and he still loose.

Just play the game clever and you will eventually come back or you loose in 15 min. You win some, you loose some.

People got cocky and make mistakes when they have really good score.

chipndip1Jul 16, 20198 votes

Whenever responding to a Yenn thread, one should check the match history to make sure the thread isn't baseless complaining...because it's usually baseless complaining.

Abibyama IIJul 16, 20192 votes

Seeing the upvotes, a lot of people have missed the memo

JackMcCarryJul 16, 20198 votes

Im confused, are you complaining about the damage of a fed assassin? Or how it's not fair your enemy laner got kills despite you making no mistakes?

Because in every comment, you make it very clear how you have 0 fault and you shouldnt be at a disadvantage even if your Jungler fed her kills.

3 kills in 6 minutes is pretty much a kill every 2 minutes, not including farm, that's 900 gold + probably red/blue buff on the side, you're also playing Quiyana - an assassin, yourself and instead of going Hexdrinker to soften your hard match ups you kept going lethality instead.

I've had games where a jungler fucked up my lane (mostly when im top), you just swallow your ego and farm under turret, build defensive if you must to not let your enemy snowball further.

I dont see how a tripple kill in 6 minutes shouldnt allow you to dominate your lane, it's a huge lead early, regardless of who's fault it falls on. It would be way more annoying if my 3 kill lead would mean nothing in lane.

JamareeJul 16, 20196 votes

I read OP wrong, my bad

YennJul 16, 201911 votes

{quoted}

So wait, you had three kills on her forcing her to roam because she couldn’t deal with you, wait what exactly is the argument here?

Didn’t you have three kills and make it so that she couldn’t do anything?

I have 0 kills. She has 3 kills from collapsing on my hyper aggressive jungler.

JamareeJul 16, 201910 votes

{quoted}

I have 0 kills. She has 3 kills from collapsing on my hyper aggressive jungler.

Oh so the fed champion was able to snowball their advantage, I see, what exactly is the problem with that, what champion couldn’t do that?

YennJul 16, 201912 votes

{quoted}

Oh so the fed champion was able to snowball their advantage, I see, what exactly is the problem with that, what champion couldn’t do that?

It's not about the champion.

It's about the fact that I can no longer enter my lane, 6 minutes into the game, despite having made no mistakes, and generally having been outplaying my opponent up until this point.

JamareeJul 16, 20196 votes

{quoted}

It's not about the champion.

It's about the fact that I can no longer enter my lane, 6 minutes into the game, despite having made no mistakes, and generally having been outplaying my opponent up until this point.

So people who get fed shouldn’t be able to use the advantage they got?

YennJul 16, 20198 votes

{quoted}

So people who get fed shouldn’t be able to use the advantage they got?

They should get some advantage, even if their entire contribution was literally last hitting a 10% health champion deep in their jungle. They should not get so much of an advantage that I'm unable to play the game at 6 minutes.

JamareeJul 16, 20196 votes

{quoted}

They should get some advantage, even if their entire contribution was literally last hitting a 10% health champion deep in their jungle. They should not get so much of an advantage that I'm unable to play the game at 6 minutes.

They were 3/0, they likely had levels and items on you while you were likely playing a squishy champion while they were an assassin. Like I don’t quite understand how this is something to complain about.

Do people want their personal contributes to matter or not, and at the point where you dominate that hard I really don’t think that it is surprising to anyone that it is heavily slanted in your favor.

Inari Fox OrrionJul 16, 20195 votes

{quoted}

They were 3/0, they likely had levels and items on you while you were likely playing a squishy champion while they were an assassin. Like I don’t quite understand how this is something to complain about.

Do people want their personal contributes to matter or not, and at the point where you dominate that hard I really don’t think that it is surprising to anyone that it is heavily slanted in your favor.

I'm pretty sure the O.P is going to be agreeing with me that it's no fun having to press everything on CD once to kill someone when you're that fed, as well. It literally offers you zero skill expression, it just at that point means you can use a keyboard properly. Much skill, such wow.

This is just a branch off from the dumb burst meta we have going on. Their stats exponentially inflate, and now all of a sudden they can one-shot someone with one rotation because they got 400 + 274 + 220g (only 894g btw, are you telling me that 894g should decide the game? Wow. The snowball meta has come far indeed) from a dumbass that can only tenuously be called a "teammate".

JamareeJul 16, 20197 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsuné Orrion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T03:09:58.128+0000)

I'm pretty sure the O.P is going to be agreeing with me that it's no fun having to press everything on CD once to kill someone when you're that fed, as well. It literally offers you zero skill expression, it just at that point means you can use a keyboard properly. Much skill, such wow.

This has always been a thing though, this has never not been a thing, the only time this wasn’t a thing was in the tank meta where team fights actually lasted minutes and before people knew how to play the game.

This is just a branch off from the dumb burst meta we have going on. Their stats exponentially inflate, and now all of a sudden they can one-shot someone with one rotation because they got 400 + 274 + 220g (only 894g btw, are you telling me that 894g should decide the game? Wow. The snowball meta has come far indeed) from a dumbass that can only tenuously be called a "teammate".

Not feeding someone three kills helps.

Inari Fox OrrionJul 16, 20195 votes

{quoted}

This has always been a thing though, this has never not been a thing, the only time this wasn’t a thing was in the tank meta where team fights actually lasted minutes and before people knew how to play the game.

Not feeding someone three kills helps.

No, no it hasn't. You'll notice that pre-burst meta, there were rarely any games decided by three deaths pre-15. Now it's standard fare: your ADC dies thrice, that's GG. Your jungler dies thrice, that's GG. Your Top, Mid, Support die thrice, that's GG. In this current season, of my six-hundred games, I recall two whole friggin' matches that weren't decided because people fed three kills by 10. Two.

You can't control your dumb, chimp teammates. "Don't feed three kills" is literally not an issue when you're not feeding the three kills. What, do you want to follow the allied jungler into the enemy jungle when every single enemy on the map but for the Top is missing? Good luck.

You'll notice plentiful b00sted apes when you climb. Wonder how they got there... ah, right, by picking Yi, getting two kills early-on that decide the game, even if they lack these weird things like: map awareness, mechanics, and... oh, I don't know... smite? THIS is why a snowball-oriented, burst meta is a bad thing for everyone involved: it literally makes it more about luck than skill. Get two lucky kills, you win. Teammate feeds two lucky kills, you lose! There's a reason LCS players are playing safer than a bank vault, right now, and it's this toxic meta.

JamareeJul 16, 20197 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitsuné Orrion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T03:32:25.074+0000)

No, no it hasn't. You'll notice that pre-burst meta, there were rarely any games decided by three deaths pre-15.

That was because before you could drag and stall out games long enough that you could eventually carry, you know what that lead to, people complaining that the early game leads they earned meaning nothing.

Now it's standard fare: your ADC dies thrice, that's GG. Your jungler dies thrice, that's GG. Your Top, Mid, Support die thrice, that's GG. In this current season, of my six-hundred games, I recall two whole friggin' matches that weren't decided because people fed three kills by 10. Two.

And I don’t see why that is a bad thing. Why shouldn’t you be allowed to use the advantage you have earned, why is it always a case of “Why isn’t Riot looking out for me?” What about the opponent?

You can't control your dumb, chimp teammates. "Don't feed three kills" is literally not an issue when you're not feeding the three kills. What, do you want to follow the allied jungler into the enemy jungle when every single enemy on the map but for the Top is missing? Good luck.

What about when you are the feeder?

You'll notice plentiful b00sted apes when you climb. Wonder how they got there... ah, right, by picking Yi, getting two kills early-on that decide the game, even if they lack these weird things like: map awareness, mechanics, and... oh, I don't know... smite? THIS is why a snowball-oriented, burst meta is a bad thing for everyone involved: it literally makes it more about luck than skill. Get two lucky kills, you win. Teammate feeds two lucky kills, you lose! There's a reason LCS players are playing safer than a bank vault, right now, and it's this toxic meta.

I don’t agree in the slightest, make less mistakes and there is a reason that the same players are diamond+ every season

PimpStickNasusJul 16, 20196 votes

{quoted}

It's not about the champion.

It's about the fact that I can no longer enter my lane, 6 minutes into the game, despite having made no mistakes, and generally having been outplaying my opponent up until this point.

What if your team had inted her 12 kills instead of 3? Would that feel different? Cause really you can make no mistakes and still have dumb shit happen to fuck up the game, just cause you played well doesn't mean you win 100% right

ShahamutJul 16, 20193 votes

What champion couldn't do that?

Skarner

PotPyeJul 16, 20195 votes

Yeah akali is a bit broken but it seems like you're just upset that a fed assassin can assassinate....

øHaruøJul 16, 20196 votes

a 3/0 assassin in 6 minutes, should not be able to just instantly KO someone. Especially in 6 minutes, where's the counter play? At what items do you have to stop from dying in 6 minutes?

AlphaM GaymerJul 16, 20195 votes

Working as intended. Champions accelerate as they gain stacks, gold and xp.

Not like you couldn't do anything about it tho, at your level, a 3-0 akali can be equalized against and then out carried.

øHaruøJul 16, 20195 votes

Sir, our Japanese and Korean counterparts play League-On-The-Go in their cafes. We NEED to pander to them.

Pfft, pleb.

Yeah, I came from a time where a game lasted a good 40 minutes and needed an actual strategy, two-minute teamfights and just a good sigh of relief knowing we won. But I changed and now that the game only lasts 5 minutes, I feel much better. Are you implying you don't like when a midlaner is fed in the first two minutes and can change the game and force a nexus in 10? Pleb.

Rock MDJul 16, 20195 votes

{quoted}

Sir, our Japanese and Korean counterparts play League-On-The-Go in their cafes. We NEED to pander to them.

Pfft, pleb.

Yeah, I came from a time where a game lasted a good 40 minutes and needed an actual strategy, two-minute teamfights and just a good sigh of relief knowing we won. But I changed and now that the game only lasts 5 minutes, I feel much better. Are you implying you don't like when a midlaner is fed in the first two minutes and can change the game and force a nexus in 10? Pleb.

Ah yes, you build a lead on your opponent but with your zero sense of macro you aimlessly wander the map for 30 minutes, group to AoE deathball teamfight for 10 minutes straight, and then coin toss who wins based on who has the idiot who gets caught.

Muh actual strategy.

Meanwhile, I've seen a video of a pro game where Koreans turned a single burned flash on the enemy team into a free Baron 5 minutes later. They're far more strategic about 1 game than a Tryndamere player like you has been over the span of your career.

ThefrostyvikingJul 16, 20194 votes

Bruh.

Being tilted to hell is fine but posting while in such a state is kinda silly.

Yeah Akali got fed of your jungler being a moron? Yeah that really does suck, especially with her now wrecking you off it.

Is it actually reasonable to demand being able to deal with her at that point though? Not at all, twice so if she counterpicked you by being Akali against many mages.

All you can do is tell your jungler that you dont like him and move on, that´s it.

And no its not akali specific, A fizz, Zed and a number of others would probably have done the same, just wrecking you with a gold and EXP lead that someone else gave them, it sucks balls to deal with it but it happens.

The thigh guyJul 16, 20193 votes

Welcome to league of Internet cafe.

JuiceBoxPJul 16, 20193 votes

But this scenario doesn't occur only with akali.. Yasuo Zed Vladimir Katarina all of these become uncontrollable "clusterfucks" whenever they get really fed early like that.

I mean, i agree that these type of things shouldn't happen, but they occur and will continue to occur nonetheless...

Pika FoxJul 16, 20193 votes

Akali literally has one pf the lowest burst outputs of all the assassins in the game. If she is 100-0ing you on command in lane, she is doing so without her ult, and is using 2-3 full rotations on you.

Thats not her being busted while fed, thats you standing there letting her kill you.

DogshítPlayerJul 16, 20191 votes

He died to her once . Stop being condescending and read the post again. If she has a lead akali can q spam and passive proc and chunk your ass with half of the gunblade component. Theres absolutely no need for rotations just 1 q and a passive proc with gunblade component makes you wanna go back to base.

Pika FoxJul 16, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fuq The ADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=001b0000,timestamp=2019-07-16T13:56:26.017+0000)

He died to her once . Stop being condescending and read the post again. If she has a lead akali can q spam and passive proc and chunk your ass with half of the gunblade component. Theres absolutely no need for rotations just 1 q and a passive proc with gunblade component makes you wanna go back to base.

She is melee, and her Q isnt exactly that long a range either.

DogshítPlayerJul 16, 20191 votes

her e lets her dash to minions or you with a shroud movement speed boost. Stop acting like akali as an assasin does not have options to kill you. And i think op was playing Qiyana. Also a melee champ. I am not saying akali is OP im just saying that some games you do not get a fair lane phase at all you get oppressed with little to no options. God help him if that akali chose to freeze the lane and never let him cs without dying.

Pika FoxJul 16, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fuq The ADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=001b000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T14:00:46.217+0000)

her e lets her dash to minions or you with a shroud movement speed boost. Stop acting like akali as an assasin does not have options to kill you. And i think op was playing Qiyana. Also a melee champ. I am not saying akali is OP im just saying that some games you do not get a fair lane phase at all you get oppressed with little to no options. God help him if that akali chose to freeze the lane and never let him cs without dying.

Shroud is telegraphed, her E is easily dodged or minion blocked.

DogshítPlayerJul 16, 20191 votes

Ult that stuns thats also a gap closer? That leads into her speed boosting shroud? That leads into her positioning hitting you with q for a slow for a guranteed e? There is more to my statement than shroud and her E.

Pika FoxJul 16, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fuq The ADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=001b00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T14:18:39.096+0000)

Ult that stuns thats also a gap closer? That leads into her speed boosting shroud? That leads into her positioning hitting you with q for a slow for a guranteed e? There is more to my statement than shroud and her E.

Ult is a long CD at 6; shes not spam killing you with it.

DogshítPlayerJul 16, 20191 votes

I do not think your getting my point here. This is not about akali This is about how he can not lane against his fed lane opponent THAT HE DID NOT FEE. You can replace akali with syndra kat fizz zed and yasuo the situation would be the same. His only option is to give up exp and cs be put further behind in lvls. He can try to roam but he may only get assists which wont help compared to the exp his missing. Worse he doesnt get shit.

CrimsonSpiceJul 16, 20193 votes

{quoted}

I'm mid against Akali. She killed my jungler three times, and all three times were because of stupid decisions on his part.

The first time, he invaded red, and then did krugs. The enemy saw and collapsed on him. Akali got the kill and double buff. The second time, he tried to fight over a scuttle while I didn't have priority, because the Akali has double buff, and died again. The third time, he tried to invade again while I was completely OOM. I pinged my mana and for him to retreat, but he continued, and died a third time as they collapsed on him.

At this point, as soon as I entered lane, Akali 100 to 0'd me from full health. I literally cannot play the game beyond sitting under my turret and farming, while she roams to other lanes and one shots them. The jungle got invaded and left, then we opened mid around 9 minutes, because none of us could do anything at this point.

Can we please fucking fix this?** It should not be possible for a lane to be put into an unplayable state within the first 6 minutes of the game.**

Invading is what jg do to counter the other jg did u ping for your jg as soon as akali went mia? also wile akali was gone did u do anything like try to help or gank a lane or did u just sit and push

his 2nd death where im guessing was close to mid did u help any with how there akali seemed to have no prob helping there jg ?

If u are just pushing mid and letting theres rome for kills u are not doing your job as mid.

Rather it was more of there team just out played yours with better team work at the start.

As for snowballing champs thank riot for that it is the meta of one shots

Not being mean but your champ Diana counters aki if she was able to pick up a kill so fast u where losing to her im guessing allready if she could just walk away and pick up a kill like that.

BrokenRayquazaJul 16, 20192 votes

Sadly. This happens and kinda can't be fixed. I just had a game where my Yas got 3 kills in the first 8 mins by ganking the pushed up aatrox that I pinged to back and then walking into my red jungle and using q ignite on my jungle karthus dying to red buff then being flamed for me feeding yasuo at 20 mins where I had 12 assists because I cannot get anywhere near Yas without immediately dying. You just have to take a deep breath and relax queue. Or don't. Play a relaxing game for a bit to cool off. TFT is pretty fun

Wordson1xJul 16, 20191 votes

Welcome to Akali. The champion who will never truly be balanced because Riot can't get their head out of their asses and she makes to much money.