I winder why ADCs are so op..

koshkyra··16 votes·868 views

item 3047 item 3078 item 3742 item 3065 item 3071 item 3053=15633 gold

item 3020 item 3165 item 3089 item 3151 item 3157 item 3135=16450 gold

item 3111 item 3143 item 3068 item 3065 item 3742 item 3025=15300 gold

item 3158 item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3071 item 3087= 15400 gold

item 3117 item 3107 item 3504 item 3190 item 2301 item 3222= 11800 gold (irrelevant because supports are on welfare)

item 3006 item 3031 item 3087 item 3094 item 3036 item 3026=14700 gold

Class with #1 Gold Income is also 1k Gold cheaper than every other class.

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33 Comments

undesirable team10 votes

i wonder how many times this has been posted

koshkyra3 votes

Posts that say ADCs are op with no evidence? Maybe like 15000000000000

Posts that use actual math and reasoning to show how ADCs are op? ..i dunno, i havent seen one

undesirable team3 votes

have you never seen the posts about adc items being cheaper then the others? idk but they're usually spammed on the gameplay boards

koshkyra3 votes

find me which one of them is exactly like mine and ill agree with you

and by exactly i mean lists every classes itemization with math and totals, compares them to ADCs, and legitimately explains how the ADCs are op.

koshkyra2 votes

spamming the gameplay board

finds two posts that are barely examples

you never explained why how adcs are op btw

?????

Class with #1 gold income is also 1k gold cheaper than every other class.

undesirable team5 votes

find me one of them that are exactly like one of mine kinda hard but hers a few that are the same problem :) (just today btw) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/uUiVPQWl-a-deeper-look-into-an-adcs-build

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7UJm8BNa-shiv-rfc-is-so-stupid-the-amount-of-power-this-combo-gives-is-worth-more-than-5200g

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZALVBrdQ-why-does-marksmenadc-have-the-cheapest-itemization-in-the-game

how do marksman get more gold then any other lane? explain that please ty youre "explanation" is backed up with no evidence and nothing to support it. #1 gold income will always be situational.

koshkyra1 votes

Because they have the most effective DPS in the game = most efficient cs'ing and killing.

More cs and kills= more gold

I refuse to read any more posts that you mindlessly type at this point. I am talking to a brick wall and i am not doing it anymore. Good day.

undesirable team2 votes

i think you gave up because you know you've lost.

just an FYI, if you were skilled enough at the game, you'd be able to cs equally on any champ, sure it's easier to cs on an auto attack reliant champ, but you also have pressure against TWO LANERS whilst doing so.

your post is brainless and pointless, pretty equal to a reddit shitpost

Nørse1 votes

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find me one of them that are exactly like one of mine kinda hard but hers a few that are the same problem :) (just today btw) https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/uUiVPQWl-a-deeper-look-into-an-adcs-build

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7UJm8BNa-shiv-rfc-is-so-stupid-the-amount-of-power-this-combo-gives-is-worth-more-than-5200g

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZALVBrdQ-why-does-marksmenadc-have-the-cheapest-itemization-in-the-game

how do marksman get more gold then any other lane? explain that please ty youre "explanation" is backed up with no evidence and nothing to support it. #1 gold income will always be situational.

I'm pretty sure the notion is backed by ADC being the only class in the game with another role dedicated to helping supplement their gold income, and keep them in lane to farm longer. On average, the ADCs in my games tend to be the people with the most CS.

Iffy Jarl1 votes

I've seen posts that are near identical to this at least 3 times b4

Hópe7 votes

Who the hell gets tri force and black cleaver together????????? Why the hell is this thread not -10.

Nobody builds that. Nobody. Stop trying to farm upvotes.

AFilthyCaitMain6 votes

The thing is, is that ADCs need multiple items for their build to start being efficient.

Trinity is a HUGE powerspike

Tanks are, well, tanks.

Redemption or whatever support items are instantly useful

Assassins are Assassins and have huge early spikes with things like Duskblade

As you know from league, numbers are deceptive. Winrates dont tell all, Scalings dont tell all, etc.


Lets start with assassins.

item 3147 2900 g, same with item 3142. Huge powerspikes bc their passives/actives

Bruisers item 3078 3733 g. probably one of the best early powerspike items in game.

item 3071 3000g. An amazing stand alone item. CDR, HP, MS, MS, Damage.

Tanks item 3194 2800 / item 3143 2800 g. Tanks are weird. Cant really count them in here

Mages item 3165 2900g. Amazing powerspike and very gold efficient item.

ADCs item 3031 3400g. Its ok as a stand alone item, but isnt very effecient without more crit chance and AS, which is why adcs usually go BF + zeal, making the build 4600g before things start to get efficient. But then you have to remember most ADCs rely on AS too, so theyll need more AS from boots and stuff to increase the efficiency of their build.

The total costs isnt why ADCs are considered great late but not as good early. They require more items for their build to start kicking in. Its like needing to stack damage for lifesteal to be worth it.

Downvote me all you want, but this is why ADCs are considered weak early, you can ask any high elo player and theyll most likely tell you the same thing. This is also why theyre considered item reliant, as their abilities dont do much on their own (there are exceptions yes, but generally this is how it is).

Edit: Games are also ending faster so less people are reaching full build, giving them less cases where they get their fully efficient build.

Lios Ashenblade1 votes

Vayne and her item 3087 item 3031 openly scoff at the assumption an adc needs more than 2 items to pop off

AFilthyCaitMain2 votes

Well, Vayne is another one of those weird ones that get a lot of free things from her kit, rather than her build. Riot noticed this and are nerfing the AD on her ult.

Lios Ashenblade2 votes

Ult or no ult, adcs power spike waaay harder, and basically get spoon fed for 10 minutes, the issue is they have several low cost hi use items, like the two mentioned previously and item 3094 they have extremely cheap spikes, where a tank or bruiser will still need at least 1 more item than the vayne has to not lose that 1v1 instantly...Or Jinx , or shit even Corki can rock a duel with a few items

AFilthyCaitMain2 votes

Shiv RFC is bullcrap. Everyone knows this.

Lios Ashenblade1 votes

I never said they had to be bought together, I'm saying as far as itemization goes, the class with the MOST money gained, gets the cheapest build options, its only aiding in the damage creep, and shortening the hell out of the game, since they far out pace the gear on anyone who isn't just getting fed as fuck.

Essentially the issue being, that in a skill vacuum, the adc has an advantage, in both gold per minute, and cost efficiency of their items

HarrowR1 votes

Why do you believe that adcs get most gold? Cant a mid zed farm cs and kills? Especially kills since his ult is basically a guarantee kill once he gets duskblade,youre just biased and not making sense

Lios Ashenblade1 votes

They have someone watching over them allowing them to cs more efficiently for one, and once they hit their mid game build, they out pace every other role, again in a skill vacuum, assuming all lanes doing similarly well, the adc will farm faster, without having to worry about a pesky thing like resource management, since we have that covered with those auto attacks doing aoe damage or hitting multiple targets, go look at the top of the ranked charts, and I will guarantee you the lions share of those matches will end with the adc having the most gold

<edit> the only gold comparison I found was from 2015 but it has been retooled since then... if I find a more current article I will post it

Lauchmelder1 votes

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Mages item 3165 2900g. Amazing powerspike and very gold efficient item.

ADCs item 3031 3400g. Its ok as a stand alone item, but isnt very effecient without more crit chance and AS, which is why adcs usually go BF + zeal, making the build 4600g before things start to get efficient. But then you have to remember most ADCs rely on AS too, so theyll need more AS from boots and stuff to increase the efficiency of their build.

The total costs isnt why ADCs are considered great late but not as good early. They require more items for their build to start kicking in. Its like needing to stack damage for lifesteal to be worth it.

Downvote me all you want, but this is why ADCs are considered weak early, you can ask any high elo player and theyll most likely tell you the same thing. This is also why theyre considered item reliant, as their abilities dont do much on their own (there are exceptions yes, but generally this is how it is).

You're getting downvoted because it's just a bad comparison.

If you want to compare an AP and an AD item you better take equivalents, which would be item 3089 and item 3031. You can't just take the most OP item from one class and compare it to a random one from another class, that's not how it works.

HarrowR1 votes

Then compare shiv with morello,and youll see its still shit compared to it cause you have no damage,as people already explained as an adc you need more items cause they multiply your power not just add flat value

Lauchmelder1 votes

Comparing pretty much any item to Morello is gonna make it look like garbage because Morello is just so goddamn overloaded.

It doesn't matter though. Zeal items need to be toned down ASAP. They add too much power for the amount of gold you have to use.

Morello can be nerfed once they finally made some decent AP itemization happen. It shouldn't happen before that, it shouldn't happen after that. It should happen at the exact same patch.

PyroLux6 votes

Triforce and black cleaver OP

xPhantomDancerX4 votes

I winder sometimes too.

Plastic 5 ADC4 votes

I winder

Mizaya3 votes

I think an ADC is gonna want to build a lifesteal item...

HaIlMonitor3 votes

Who the hell does half of these builds? Lol.

D3m37r12 votes

Noitem 3031 ? Damn i'm out of the loop.

Baron Barian2 votes

That's assuming the game lasts at least 45 minutes where everyone gets all that cash, and at that point, the ADC is killing you because of the scaling.

Slythion2 votes

Idk how this effects the price outcome, but shouldn't shiv be replaced by GA or Lord Doms for the assassin build?

koshkyra2 votes

I dont really know hos assassins build, but i usually see them taking shiv.

Ill edit my post though

Cowseed2 votes

Well aren't you about 5000 years late.

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