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The only change Ahri needs.

dunder kill··12 votes·1,293 views

Remove the move speed from her Q.

Is her ult up? Extremely mobile. Is her ult down? Sitting duck. Fixed.

Her burst isn't out of hand under normal circumstances before someone chimes in "but this one time a 7/0 Ahri deleted me in .5 seconds". Her poke isn't ridiculous and can be dodged unlike other mages like Lux who just spams E on you all laning phase. Her CC is a single target skillshot that doesn't work through minions. She is a generalist but it's more of a 'jack of all trades but master of none' scenario.

Removing the move speed from her Q makes her early laning phase more dangerous while not being oppressive either. It also creates a larger window of weakness if her ult is on CD. The mechanic behind it didn't make much sense to begin with because it rewards you with a longer move speed buff for running away as opposed to moving toward your target.

Her stats are a bit out of line with the amount of play she sees, but I don't feel she's outright 'broken OP'. Start with this and assess her again afterwards.

34 Comments

Maximum Morde3 votes

They don't even have to remove it. Just make it have to hit a champion, or even if that is too good still, hit a champion on backswing, to get the move speed.

That way she can't just panic fart a ball in a random direction.

DevlinCrow2 votes

I agree, she does have good power if she lands her E and uses her ult. But if she fucks that up she still has very good safety with her Q movespeed. Imo that's what they should target.

Kukan Seishin2 votes

Look at this dude

Look at his opinion oh no no no no

HAAAAAH HAHAHAHA

Sry i had to meme you But no, I hate when people post this because you clearly don't understand what or how Ahri is supposed to be played, Ahri is at the moment, a kite mage, IF AND Only if She gets fed will she one shot people, else it will take 2 spell rotations at least to drop someone She is strong right now because everyone else has been nerfed, but do you actually know what is gonna happen if they nerf Ahri? They will realize that everyone else is too weak and they will buff them and Ahri will be left in the gutter, as much as you would enjoy that I'm sure, that is not how this game should work. How about instead of whining your ass off about how "OMG AHRI OP RITO PLZ NERF" try putting what little IQ you have left after making your post into trying to figure out how to deal with her

It IS NOT HARD

I'll give you a start

Cassiopeia Syndra Fizz Zed Talon Vladimir Katarina Yasuo Kassadin Malzahar

Penns3 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/7bf62c9e07ed941203586463b2c54c36.png Nice counterpicks she has there kappa

Kukan Seishin2 votes

I find Annie xerath twisted fate to be easy for a good Ahri, for a trash ahri, I'm sure they are difficult,

Åeolus1 votes

Is this high plat+? Don't bother if it isn't. Low elo players can't play her counters even at a decent level. A diamond Fizz vs a diamond Ahri is much different than silvers playing that matchup.

KingEtokura1 votes

cough cough Kindred cough

Kukan Seishin1 votes

How so?

KingEtokura1 votes

You said that they would nerf Ahri and leave her behind. I saw the relation to present day Kindred.

Kukan Seishin1 votes

Ah

Eedat1 votes

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Kukan Seishin1 votes

Yes, but you said remove her q ms, which eliminates her main purpose as a Kite mage, which is what Riot had intended for her since they added the Q ms to her kit

dunder kill4 votes

Her burst isn't out of hand under normal circumstances before someone chimes in "but this one time a 7/0 Ahri deleted me in .5 seconds".

and here I am trying to defend your champ lol.

Fine. Let the boards have their way and destroy her. Not going to bother again

Kukan Seishin1 votes

You are literally saying then, nerf her for no reason,

dunder kill2 votes

I gave my reasons in the original post. I'm trying to extend the olive branch and suggest a change that wouldn't destroy her. If people don't want to compromise, then I won't bother. It's just a matter of time before the community demands harsher needs than what I suggested. Sorry for trying to be reasonable. Instead you throw insults at me while simultaneously agreeing with most of the points I made. Maybe you should actually read the whole thread before throwing a temper tantrum and slinging insults

WalkingInACircle2 votes

Lol. The boards have ranted about Ahri before and Riot ignored them. Removing her q mobility with no compensation would in fact destroy her. Most champions have defensive mechanics of some kind for good reason, without an ability to resist lane aggression she'd be fodder in lane. Her trading ability is pitiful as is because her q is easily dodged and w wastes itself on minions.

Kukan Seishin1 votes

ty

dunder kill3 votes

Lolk. "The Kayle nerfs are going to destroy her!" "The Shaco rework is going to destroy him!" "The Lucian nerfs are going to destroy him!" I could give a dozen example of people over the years claiming changes over the years were going to gut champions.

So I'm suppose to listen to you why?

Kukan Seishin1 votes

FFS

So she gets nothing but a nerf and no compensation to her kit to make her worse overall even though she really isn't as good as people are talking about right now, considering her damage is only good when ahead, her supposed lane sustain is really not good for her kit since she is an assassin, and it only works well mid to late game, her "true damage" is really not that much and I doubt she would EVER kill someone without it, and because of all that, her Q ms is the thing that really makes it so she can be a kite mage, which is what Riot WANTED to make her since they removed her mini DFG on her E and gave her the ms Q in the first place breath All of her scaling when you take a look at them: (here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri Are really not that great, and neither are the base damages, The consistant claims that she can 100 - 0 people when fed are stupid because leans in close to the mic Anyone fed can delete people Ahri does have 2 skill shots remember, low range, and a thing with the Q, the only way she pokes with it, is getting a little to close, throwing out Q, and backing up with the ms... (almost like a kite mage that Riot intended her to be)

Her R cd, lets take a look 110, 90, 85, Ok... now lets take a look at other mid laners ult cooldowns

Fizz 100/85/70 Hmm

Syndra 120/100/80 Alright

Zed 120/100/80 Alright (note an assassin)

Yasuo 85/55/30 (note, an assassinish person idk what he is)

Cassiopeia 120/100/80

Viktor 120 / 110 / 100 Alright

Annie 120 / 100 / 80 Alright

Orianna 110/95/80

Vlad 150 / 135 / 120 (that's interesting actually)

Katerina 90 / 60 / 45 (I think this changes soon tho lol)

Ekko 110 / 90 / 70 hmmm

Talon 100 / 80 / 60 Hmm

So, why does Ahri need to be nerfed again? Like, at all? come to think of it, her passive provides no damage remember Her Q Damage Per pass 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 35% AP) 」Bad scaling and low base damage + she has to hit it twice for it to actually get it's full damage off Her W 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 40% AP) Not great scaling and low base damage And "Multiple flames can hit the same target, with each flame beyond the first dealing 30% damage." Her E (her only CC which is a thin lined skill shot) 60 / 95 / 130 / 165 / 200 (+ 50% AP) Godd damage scaling still isn't great but not top bad, Duration 1 / 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 / 2 (used to be 2 sec at all ranks btw) Her R 70 / 110 / 150 (+ 30% AP)... wait, it's almost like her R does no damage and has a really bad scaling.

So... why does she need nerfs at all again?

If she can't be an assassin unless fed, she is a kite mage, Cant work as a kite mage without having MS on Q though

So

Do share with me Why she needs nerfs

Fur Fox Sake1 votes

Honestly this is perfect. I always struggle against these champs even being an Ahri main since season 3, in laning phase against melee I always get outdamaged and despite landing my full combo and spamming auto attacks I still get outdamaged when they use just half of their combo. Ahri is safe but not that strong, she only does "bursty" damage when she is fed. I agree with you, she doesn't need her damage nerfed at all maybe just her safeness though because I'd like for her play rate to go down lmfao

Kukan Seishin1 votes

I fking love your name btw

But how about instead of tanking away her kite potential with Q, just nerf her ult cd, since that is the main thing people cry about

Souji1 votes

would much rather her Q speed be removed than her ult cd nerfed tbh. It was just simply tacked on with her E's damage amplification removal.

Kukan Seishin1 votes

Opinions differ

Souji1 votes

Indeed.

Åeolus2 votes

Why is she op? I mean sure she has mobility but that's countered by her mediocre damage. Katarina , Fizz , and Akali do more damage and have the same amount of mobility. Except they don't have a one second stun -_- Please elaborate your opinion and why you think Ahri having these traits makes her overly strong.

dunder kill2 votes

Like I said. She doesn't excel at one thing in particular. She's just average to good at too​ many things. She doesn't have the risk factor of diving in like a Talon, Zed, or Diana and can still contribute a lot more by kiting around the outside of a fight. Her sustain isn't as much as people make it out to be, but it's still some when similar champs have none. Her mobility isn't on par with a LB or late game Kass, but she still has a lot of it. She doesn't 100-0 someone in under a second without a lot of items, but if she catches a squishy with 70% HP they're dead.

It's not one glaring strength, but more the fact that she is good at a lot while having a very forgiving kit

Åeolus2 votes

And how is this bad? How can she abuse the fact that she's average at all of these things? Why is it impossible to win lane or a team fight against her? Ahri is a champion designed for picks. She has a good laning phase (although most meta champions now counter her so right now it isn't good) and average/below average teamfighting. If you don't get caught and if she isn't fed, just wait to teamfight and you win.

dunder kill2 votes

Thats not what I said at all. Listen, it comes down to this. The overall strength of a champion is always determined by balancing their strengths and weakness. Ahri has slightly too many strengths as opposed to weaknesses. If you don't want to listen, fine. I'm trying to be reasonable by denying some of the points that the Anti-Ahri circlejerk is drumming up. Since everyone is unwilling to compromise, we'll just wait a few more weeks until the front page is filled with people demanding Ahri be gutted. It's already started. I tried. Enjoy.

Åeolus1 votes

She has mediocre damage, weak team fighting, and a weak early game. I explained that in my previous post.

dunder kill1 votes

She doesnt have a weak early game or weak team fighting. She has a mediocre early game and mediocre teamfighting.

You want champs that have actual weak early games?

Cassiopeia DrMundo Akali MonkeyKing Mordekaiser are a few

Since you only play Ahri, you seem to have forgotten what a weak early game is. On Ahri you can still farm with Q at 880 range. Try playing a champ like MonkeyKing against Darius Renekton Riven Quinn just once. You don't get to farm period until its under your tower and even then you don't get the casters without being chunked.

Weak at teamfighting?

Try Zed Diana Akali Tryndamere MasterYi

none of these champs can throw decent damage into a fight with going all in, get chain CCed, and dying.

I already know this isn't going to change your mind though. Ahri does NOT have a "weak early game". You seem to have the impression that not being able to kill your lane opponent early makes it "weak". Try playing a champ where you desperately try to just get a few CS without dying

Souji1 votes

I agree with the Q speed removal. I mean its nice and all but if they are going to change something I'd much rather it be that being removed since it only exists as a compensation for her E's damage amplification being removed. In fact I wish they reverted that change but oh well.

Kukan Seishin1 votes

So she gets nothing but a nerf and no compensation to her kit to make her worse overall even though she really isn't as good as people are talking about right now, considering her damage is only good when ahead, her supposed lane sustain is really not good for her kit since she is an assassin, and it only works well mid to late game, her "true damage" is really not that much and I doubt she would EVER kill someone without it, and because of all that, her Q ms is the thing that really makes it so she can be a kite mage, which is what Riot WANTED to make her since they removed her mini DFG on her E and gave her the ms Q in the first place breath All of her scaling when you take a look at them: (here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri Are really not that great, and neither are the base damages, The consistant claims that she can 100 - 0 people when fed are stupid because leans in close to the mic Anyone fed can delete people Ahri does have 2 skill shots remember, low range, and a thing with the Q, the only way she pokes with it, is getting a little to close, throwing out Q, and backing up with the ms... (almost like a kite mage that Riot intended her to be)

Her R cd, lets take a look 110, 90, 85, Ok... now lets take a look at other mid laners ult cooldowns

Fizz 100/85/70 Hmm

Syndra 120/100/80 Alright

Zed 120/100/80 Alright (note an assassin)

Yasuo 85/55/30 (note, an assassinish person idk what he is)

Cassiopeia 120/100/80

Viktor 120 / 110 / 100 Alright

Annie 120 / 100 / 80 Alright

Orianna 110/95/80

Vlad 150 / 135 / 120 (that's interesting actually)

Katerina 90 / 60 / 45 (I think this changes soon tho lol)

Ekko 110 / 90 / 70 hmmm

Talon 100 / 80 / 60 Hmm

So, why does Ahri need to be nerfed again? Like, at all? come to think of it, her passive provides no damage remember Her Q Damage Per pass 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 35% AP) 」Bad scaling and low base damage + she has to hit it twice for it to actually get it's full damage off Her W 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 (+ 40% AP) Not great scaling and low base damage And "Multiple flames can hit the same target, with each flame beyond the first dealing 30% damage." Her E (her only CC which is a thin lined skill shot) 60 / 95 / 130 / 165 / 200 (+ 50% AP) Godd damage scaling still isn't great but not top bad, Duration 1 / 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 / 2 (used to be 2 sec at all ranks btw) Her R 70 / 110 / 150 (+ 30% AP)... wait, it's almost like her R does no damage and has a really bad scaling.

So... why does she need nerfs at all again?

If she can't be an assassin unless fed, she is a kite mage, Cant work as a kite mage without having MS on Q though

So

Do share with me Why she needs nerfs

Rewt1 votes

Katarina Ult was going to be 135 / 75 / 15 but then they reverted it on the PBE to the live values

Kukan Seishin1 votes

Ok

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