@RiotRepertoir Any updates on Teemo?

Yfrappefort·Sep 23, 2015·17 votes·1,534 views

I've made a couple of threads about this, but since none of them got a reply, here I go again.

What is your opinion on atm? You guys said you would look at him if he needed more help after his power shift, and honestly he still feel weaker then before the mushrooms nerf.

I know the update team are looking at all the marksman, but since Teemo is not really one of them, was wondering if you are still scouting on him.

Thanks in advance!

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19 Comments

HopFroggerSep 23, 20154 votes

You're right; Teemo is much weaker since the change to his mushrooms. You could detonate shrooms onto an opponent if they engaged you rapidly before, but now the activation timer on the shrooms makes that very unlikely. It's really frustrating. The range on shrooms is definitely advantageous, but I'd rather have his pre-patch shrooms back.

NarasimhaSep 27, 20151 votes

I don't think they're going to change that. They are 'traps' not 'grenades'. They're not meant to be thrown down for immediate effects, you have to set them up in advance.

vDg6VF2ghdSep 27, 20153 votes

I've played Teemo well over 2,000 games. I play him in all lanes including jungle and support and reached Gold 4 doing it.

Ever since the rework of vision, when Teemo became OP and Riot halved his shrooms damage it has gotten so much harder for Teemo players.

I didn't care that Teemo had his shroom damage reduced, I cared that Riot didn't make up for the loss in his 1v1 ability because of it. Teemo uses shrooms in 1v1 fights and the damage reduction significantly nerfed his ability to survive 1v1 fights.

Riot has been extremely short sighted with regards to Teemo and I genuinely for the first time ever have begun to find much less enjoyment when I play Teemo because he is now simply so weak in just about everything he does.

RalanrSep 23, 20152 votes

How is he not a marksman? Is it because he's not played as an ADC?

Why does that have to be synonymous?

YfrappefortSep 23, 20154 votes

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How is he not a marksman? Is it because he's not played as an ADC?

Why does that have to be synonymous?

Well, honestly, Teemo is quite messy when it comes to role. Typycally, marksman build AD and hyper scale into late game with stats multiplier. However, Teemo gains nothing from building AD, since he scale with AP.

He's a jack of all trade, master of none.

He lack the range/damage/safety to be played as ADC. He lack the sustained damage/burst to be played as a mid mage/assassin.

Sadly, he also lack the sustain/tankyness to be played as a jungler, even tough it would fit his theme perfectly. (especially with his legendary skin)

He's kind of a lackluster mage/assassin (if you count ambushing with passive) atm that is forced to be played top VS melee. Before, you would take Teemo for the great map control his mushrooms gave. That was what made him unique.

However, with the introduction of scuttle crab in season 5, it prevented him from shroom fielding dragon/baron or just the rivers in general like before.

Now that the duration also exploded in half, why pick Teemo over, say, Gnar ? He does everything Teemo does (arguably better) just in mini Gnar alone, but can also turn into a tank that can initiate/peel for your team.

Teemo identity is dying. I think Riot should give him a defining role, a reason to pick him over another champion.

RalanrSep 23, 20151 votes

Ahh. I do understand he has a weird early game. He does seem like he should belong in the jungle (or at least be able to).

Perhaps he's part of the marksmen update?

zodiarkbadSep 23, 20151 votes

I think there is a guy who jus hit Masters playing teemo jungle only(NA).

YfrappefortSep 23, 20151 votes

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I think there is a guy who jus hit Masters playing teemo jungle only(NA).

I did not say Teemo jungle is not possible, just that it's not optimal.

Overall, Teemo jungle is weak because his first clear puts him very low. His clear speed is also bad and his lack of CC prevent him from doing good ganks unless he has red buff (or if the enemy is really, really far in the lane). Shuting down Teemo jungle is very easy (trust me, I never lost a game to a Teemo jungle) and limiting Teemo income is disastrous, since he scale only with items and the jungle income is already lower then in lane.

It's all coming back to this point. Why would you pick Teemo to jungle over any other jungler?

zodiarkbadSep 24, 20151 votes

I don't know, I also think a jungle Teemo doens't sound viable at all.

VekknaSep 24, 20151 votes

Devourer applies Toxic Shot twice, so between Sated, Nashor's, and Toxic Shot, he gets:

115 flat magic damage on-hit (50, 15, 50) 45% AP on-hit (30%, 15%) 30 + 10% AP per second on poison tick

Your assassinate is basically AA > Q > AA > AA > AA(repeat), which takes about 2.5 seconds. In that amount of time with sated, you're doing a total of:

1010 + (4.0 AD) + (3.7 AP)

After building your Devourer and two items, you're at around 200 AP, so you're doing around 1000 DPS while they're blinded.

YfrappefortSep 25, 20151 votes

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Devourer applies Toxic Shot twice, so between Sated, Nashor's, and Toxic Shot, he gets:

115 flat magic damage on-hit (50, 15, 50) 45% AP on-hit (30%, 15%) 30 + 10% AP per second on poison tick

Your assassinate is basically AA > Q > AA > AA > AA(repeat), which takes about 2.5 seconds. In that amount of time with sated, you're doing a total of:

1010 + (4.0 AD) + (3.7 AP)

After building your Devourer and two items, you're at around 200 AP, so you're doing around 1000 DPS while they're blinded.

Devourer won't be a viable choice for ranged champions soon. They are nerfing it in 5.19 so it proc less.

YfrappefortSep 26, 20151 votes

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Ahh. I do understand he has a weird early game. He does seem like he should belong in the jungle (or at least be able to).

Perhaps he's part of the marksmen update?

I wish he was part of it. Unlikely tough.

BlackMagicWilsonSep 23, 20155 votes

Very well said. There's simply no reason to play Teemo over any other champion in any role. Riot should do something about this.

ReQnosisSep 24, 20152 votes

I too would like to see some QoL changes for Teemo, so I started working on a short video for this..

In the mean time, you might enjoy checking out Ivan Pavlov on op.gg to see how the current version of Teemo does at relatively high ranks of play. *http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Ivan+Pavlov

He's currently the highest ranking "Teemo Main" in the world. Diamond 1.

Some of his recent games have him beating out Gnar, Riven, Ekko, ect.

http://orig07.deviantart.net/03c9/f/2015/267/2/1/teemo_by_requiemsvoid-d9apru5.jpg