Anyone else finding this World very disapointing?

Yfrappefort·10/25/2015, 4:44:16 PM·210 votes·12,093 views

Most matches going 3-0, and pretty one sided. Sure, the group stage was fun, but god the bracket stage is horrible (not even one series got to 5 matches).

Team abusing broken picks like Fiora and TahmKench (Riot's fault). Poor jungle and support diversity overall (aside the rare niche picks). Double summoner 12 is too dominant and suffocate pretty much any other strategy. The early game is now a farming chicken fest, since any aggression get punished heavily.

Gangplank and Mordekaiser being perma baned reduce ban choices for red team especially. To top it off, Korea VS Korea finals...

Sure, the most skilled teams deserve to advance, but I think Riot messed up big time by doing so many big champions changes just before Worlds.

Edit : Thanks for keeping the thread civilized for the most part, even if you don't agree with my opinion. I am reading all posts so keep sharing your thoughts!

261 Comments

TheNameIsJohnny10/25/2015, 4:50:00 PM56 votes

GP, Morde, Fiora and Catfish IS the main issue. Red side is basically fked. Riot dont care about real balance but "PLAYSSSSSSSSSSSSS" and "OPPPPPPPPPPPPPP".

TurquoiseYoshi10/25/2015, 4:51:48 PM39 votes

The top lane is too OP right now.

The jungle is too underpowered.

The mid lane is too boring (Teleport every match, Veigar being good)

The ADCs are just Jinx, Cait into Jinx, and Morde being banned.

The supports are the Kench, Alistar, and Thresh every game, with Braum and Morg being rare picks.

Beacon 0F Light10/25/2015, 6:48:07 PM32 votes

Agreed. Sooo many factors have made this such a disappointing Worlds.

-All the dumb powerpicks that burden not only Red side specifically but both sides in general. Morde, Fiora, GP, Darius, Tahm, etc. Not to mention picks that have been strong for a while in competitive like Kalista, Thresh, Viktor, etc. -Cloud 9 making it instead of a team like Liquid (who I personally would've liked to see at Worlds). -NA getting wiped -No five game series -Semifinals only have two regions -Finals only have one region -Super dominant team (I hate teams like SKT and SSW that just completely dominate. Like, props to them for being so good, but it makes competition SOOOOO stale when pretty much everyone knows who's gonna win the whole thing before it even begins).

Granted most of this isn't Riot's fault, but it's just been sooooo boring the whole way through. The most exciting thing so far for me has been watching Pain make it further than any other wildcard team ever. Darius pentas don't even feel earned. Games either get dragged out too long or are done in the blink of an eye when SKT plays. If SKT wins the finals it will officially be the most disappointing Worlds yet.

Reynard the ƒox10/25/2015, 9:03:39 PM31 votes

Monte literally used the word 'bullshit' to describe the Worlds patch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axPGz_Hf_FA

I've been saying it since last month before Worlds began, 5.18 is an absolutely terrible patch to hold Worlds on. Honestly, this tournament has been a joke.

xJLx MCHammer10/25/2015, 5:23:12 PM29 votes

I'm only disappointed how teams have tilted. FNC played very bad vs Koo. C9 that couldn't pick up one win CLG edg and lgd all looking really bad

And of course seeing the same team likely to win is also ugh.

Wukongz10/25/2015, 6:28:11 PM24 votes

I loved the group stages. However once we hit quarter finals, the games became boring.

Smart Kitty10/25/2015, 5:21:04 PM20 votes

Well I thought the group stage was very interesting. After that it got really boring.

Rinky Dinky10/25/2015, 7:59:21 PM19 votes

This is statistically the most diverse worlds we have seen so far....

ModCaptainMårvelous10/25/2015, 6:10:26 PM18 votes

And yet we've seen more unique picks now than ever.

Asides, that "abuse what's OP" argument is bullshit. Darius was considered OP for the first half of worlds and, surprise surprise, he dropped like a rock once teams figured out that he's not THAT good. I'd also say that, while I agree that double TP is a problem and there are outliers in balance, people are hardly abusing picks like Tahm or Fiora. You see them occasionally but in most cases they hardly are the sole deciding factor.

If anything, NA/EU needs to step up their game. There's only so much blaming you can do on the game before you stop and go "Hold on, we're still not advancing."

TheSequelsRBad10/25/2015, 6:25:52 PM18 votes

Groups were great.

Bracket stage was meh.

Only Play Darius10/25/2015, 7:46:43 PM16 votes

At first I thought the summoner 12 meta was fine. It was ok when it was toplaners taking it so that they can actually participate in fights early game. But for whatever reason the midlaner started taking TP every game ever since the start of worlds and it pretty much ruined worlds, at least for me. Thanks to double (and sometimes even triple) TP no one in any lane can make any picks or plays without having the enemy top/mid/jungler coming and instantly forcing them into a fight where they are outnumbered, and overall is just forcing early game into a game of chicken where it's all about who can play the most passively and farm up because any form of aggression gets instantly punished by teleport (and part of the reason TahmKench is broken right now is because he's the only support who can instantly make his ADC untargetable and rush them to safety when 2 enemies are teleporting botlane, his laning phase is pretty poor and he is vulnerable to getting poked out of lane but this weakness can't be exploited because of double TP).

Honestly they should keep TP cooldown on turrets unchanged (to help out champions like Nasus who tend to get bullied out of farm early game) but need to massively increase the cooldown on minions/wards so that people can still TP to teamfights but actually have to think about when to use it instead of teleporting the second another lane overextends. Or maybe instead make it so that minions being teleported to get bonus resists but can actually be killed to deny the teleport.

Trylobyte10/25/2015, 4:58:52 PM11 votes

Too many big patches and major releases in the Worlds run-up. They didn't give champions like the Juggernauts (Morde, Darius) or Gangplank enough time to really settle and see where they fall. You're always going to have people who cry OP BS about the champions that get picked a lot, but in this case they have just a bit more of a point. But still not as much of one as they think - A number of these picks were unheard of in competitive play before Worlds, like Veigar and Tahm Kench.

ChaoticPinecone10/25/2015, 10:32:10 PM8 votes

I think youre looking through rose colored glasses.

Remember last season? Alistar top had a 93% ban rate, ZIlean had a 82% ban. Ali, Zilean, Maokai, Ryze, and Lee SIn had over 90% pick/ban (Alistar was 100%). The Junglers were dominated by Kha and Lee Sin (58 and 43 picks). Support was Janna and Thresh (45 and 44 picks). Double Teleport isnt any more dominant than the laneswap.

Art Of Solo Q10/25/2015, 10:01:31 PM6 votes

Sad but true, I'm at the point where I'm not going to even bother watching the lcs. I rarely watch live, usually check the vids a day or week later, but for worlds I normally check it the same day just not live. This worlds has been a complete waste of time, just as all prior were. I still haven't enjoyed one game, not a single game has actually be competitive.

Its clear "competitive" league is a joke. The true irony is, it has nothing to do with the fact we all know who is going to win, regional games nor the international ones. Because its when you take into account riots balancing philosophy, you realize there is no point.

They balance in cycles, not to seek true balance. They say they do, but how many posts do you see of players begging riot to only nerf the champ or item instead of both, how many posts do you see begging riot for a different change instead of the "gutting" they do to said champ. While keeping flashing champs never to far out of the meta or always dominant.

So basically, which ever teams are capable of adapting to the meta each shift will always be dominant vs true balance of teams finding their own style of play and being pit against one another. Riot doesn't care who wins and that's good, but its when they literally choose which champs will get played and decide which champs aren't worth seeing, now that is disgusting. All champs should be viable, teams should be allowed to build styles and I think that's when league would truly be great.

Truth is league will never be competitive until riot balances the game. It will never be lasting entertainment until riot accepts this and stops using cycles. As in it would be almost impossible to get bored since you wouldn't see the same champs every match for a patch, you would see EVERY champ eventually with multiple team comps and styles. Not just the ones who are clearly superior to every other one out there. Simply because there would be balance.

High510/25/2015, 10:35:30 PM5 votes

I thought the group stage was ok, but as things became more focused, the quarters and semis were awful.

The mord and gp perma bans were stupid for a tourney that has seen 70 unique champs played.

I knew NA was weak. China failed as a region too. For both EU teams to get 3-0 in the semis was a miserable showing. We know Koo can't beat SKT, so worlds is over. Again, moderately entertaining start and a very miserable end.

Linthe10/25/2015, 5:29:51 PM5 votes

YES! Agreeing 100%. I was so geeked for groups. And they were pretty entertaining. But each round since has been worse

The Mighty Flea10/25/2015, 7:07:30 PM5 votes

Anything is better than last years worlds were everyone knew from the start that Samsung White would win.

Ace of Bronze10/26/2015, 1:07:06 PM4 votes

As an SKT fan since S3, no im not dissapointed, nothing makes me more happy than seeing Skt roll over teams.

Croanin10/25/2015, 9:51:29 PM4 votes

Also for this entire season I'm kind of on the fence with how Baron and Dragon work as opposed to previous seasons. Now Dragon is no longer important as it was early on since it gives no gold. Before it could snowball you if you kept on taking Dragon but I've seen teams come back against a team with massive Dragon leads. Also Dragon became damn near irrelevent as the game went on. Now with Dragon stacking it's a bit different. You get to four dragons and you can literally jerk the enemy team around the map. If you let them have dragon 5 it's GG, but if you let them just take Baron instead of 5th dragon or an inhib it's almost GG.

Also the Baron buff urks me a bit also. It's amazing if a team gets it when they're behind and regain a foothold on the game. But when a team is winning then take Baron it's just a nail on the coffin. You can't turtle in base against Baroned up minions (especially Baroned up Supers), especially if the enemy has additional structure damage from Dragon. Before Baron would push your lanes out and give you extra stats and regen to simply make your siege stronger, not damn near impossible to deal with.

DeusVult10/26/2015, 12:19:59 AM4 votes

I for one actually was really enjoying worlds up until C9 tilted and lost 4 in a row, and were knocked out of contention from quarterfinals. Since then, the matches have all been really 1 sided

and SKT is going to win virtually unopposed

Myrddin10/26/2015, 12:21:39 AM3 votes

Not really, mind you i'm only watching the skt matches.

I fail to see how this is any different than previous seasons with twisted fate, kassadin, elise, et all being permabanned, there are always 3-4 champs that are heavily contested and banned a lot. Just the nature of the game, always has been. If you nerfed tahm, morde, gp, fiora, darius ect ect it would just be whoever is strongest after them taking over the bans.

Kind of the point of bans to get rid of the strongest thing at the time.

LeeDark10/25/2015, 10:22:22 PM3 votes

Yeah, I am thoroughly unimpressed by this season overall.