@Riot what's your opinion on enabling Thresh to jungle?

Mister Support··2 votes·597 views

I love Thresh, he is my most played champion. And you know what? He works well in the support role namely because he is a jack of all trades, master of none. His abilities are decently powerful to where they can serve any purpose in terms of utility, but not powerful enough that he outclasses other champions in the categories. He can go for picks, but isn't overbearing in this sense due to the ease of dodging his hook (but can make someone who's mastered Thresh quite annoying). He can peel, and he can also do small forms of engages. But if he goes for one action, he can't do the others at the same time. This style of a champion's utility would also work quite well in the jungle rather than just support.

However, there is one simple thing keeping Thresh was working in the jungle. And that is his lack of jungle clear power. To fix this, I propose one small change that will not affect Thresh's laning power in any way. Make his Flay (E) active deal bonus damage to monsters (about 50%). Thresh's basic attacks deal enough single target damage, but he doesn't have a strong form of AoE clear. Adding bonus damage to monsters for his Flay would be enough to increase his clear speed so he can keep up with other junglers. The best part of this: Thresh simply put would not outclass other junglers. His ganks wouldn't be consistent, since if he wants to keep his clear speed up, he'd have to max his E first rather than Q. He wouldn't be overbearing on objective control since he has no innate sustain or excessive damage. And his late game scaling isn't so high that he could just play safe then beat other junglers outright. The only real thing Thresh would be strong at is counter-ganks, but he would still be outclassed in this sense by higher damage champions such as Gragas or Elise.

In addition, if Thresh is allowed to jungle and he gets even a small amount of popularity in the jungle, it would force people in the same games to choose a support other than Thresh, potentially opening up supports to a more diverse selection.

I'd love to hear opinions from other members of the community as well as Riot on this. Personally, I see it as a "why not?". It doesn't add power to his laning power, and only allows him to work better in another role.

16 Comments

WinBoat3 votes

I'd rather not have a jungling Thresh. No offense.

Taking him anywhere but support is a waste of a damage source. Thresh is almost all utility.

Anyhow, crit strike Thresh is kinda insane tho, I have seen it before, and it can melt squishies like nothing. So maybe I take back what I said, it's confusing. Then again, I seen an AD Brahm jungle and just become unstoppable.

So, unless you're good at Thresh, don't play him anywhere but support. If you're good at thresh, then sure jungle. I guess he could be enabled to jungle, but people who actually good with him should only take him there because he is completely different from a lane support thresh then.

Mister Support1 votes

Not saying it would have to be a meta pick, just one that's slightly more viable. Also think about Rek'sai, she has no scaling damage without items just used for utility, and thresh has a lot of that.

Bellows1 votes

This would be good actually, would help in getting those relic procs better and would be a great jungler for ganking. he honestly needs a better "soul collecting" system. i dont feel like the chain warden collecting souls when i play him,a dn i dont feel very rewarded for the souls that fall from minions and monsters and ect. He doesnt feel like his theme AT ALL.

Hethalean1 votes

I am fine with his soul system pretty much. I don't like how hard they are to pick up.

Oleandervine1 votes

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This would be good actually, would help in getting those relic procs better and would be a great jungler for ganking. he honestly needs a better "soul collecting" system. i dont feel like the chain warden collecting souls when i play him,a dn i dont feel very rewarded for the souls that fall from minions and monsters and ect. He doesnt feel like his theme AT ALL.

Relic shield can't proc on jungle monsters. It only procs on minions.

Mister Support1 votes

I think he was referring to last hit a minion as Thresh, even though the suggested change only talked about the active portion.

Nahui1 votes

I'm just skeptical about his ganking power, you know? No gap closers really, all dependent on the hook. So he will just walk into lane, enemy will begin zig zagging, thresh will menacingly approach, launch Q and hit or miss. It seems like a really feast or famine pick.

Also, he'd be nearly useless in team fights. Thresh lacks damage. Even champs like sejuani or amumu have some fairly decent damage. Your role as Thresh Jungle would basically be hooking someone, so while they have a leona supp and a Zac jungle, you have a braum support and a thresh jungle. Their team just has more tankiness and damage.

Thresh jungle sounds like Bard jungle. Cool because of the ability to collect valuable personal resources that normally you're restricted from farming while down in bot lane but the actual practicality and utility of the role you're in would be diminished for it. You'd end the game with just a few more souls than normal most likely.

Mister Support1 votes

Not saying this would become a meta pick, which is good since that wouldn't require any changes to support Thresh. Just want his jungle clear to be a bit better for those who enjoy to play it. Also for ganking with Thresh, 2 MS quints and lead with flay, not hook. It's similar to how you roam with Thresh.

EpikFeeder1 votes

Why would Riot decide "You know what, its time for THRESH to jungle"! Why not Blitz jungle. Or Alistar jungle coming back? We get it, you like Thresh. Cool story. There is a very similar champion to thresh in the jungle (as far as cc goes). His name is NAUTILUS. Try it out.

Mister Support1 votes

Not saying he has to become meta, just to make it more of an option for those who want to play him. I do like Nautilus jungle, he's just far more engage oriented than Thresh, who would be supportive/pick in nature.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

who says you cant play thresh jungle?

Terminus Edge1 votes

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who says you cant play thresh jungle?

Thresh's Armor says so.

People say that J4 has trouble jungling ever since he lost the Armor from his E. J4's base Armor is 29.

Thresh's base Armor is 16, and he gains none per level.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i didnt say it was a good idea.... you can jungle anything if you want.... just might not be great

Mister Support1 votes

Thresh's armor isn't a big problem with jungling since he can kite the camps pretty well, it's mainly his clear speed is so lacking that he can't keep up with anyone else. So I'd rather have it where clear speed is slightly better but if you can't kite camps properly then you still can't jungle with, giving a barrier of mastery.

Kinetika1 votes

Thresh's kit isn't really geared for jungling. Because his auto attacks are ranged, Riot can't really increase the power to give better camp clears.

I'm not sure if you were around shortly after his release, but his ADC build was insanely OP back then. I'm sure that Riot does not want that back. He's meant to be a utility support, and personally I think he's great in that role.

Mister Support1 votes

I'm not saying to increase the power of his auto attacks, which would affect any potential adc-like build on him, but to increase the damage of flay active to monsters only. So that the only thing affected is a slightly stronger AoE ability that is still gated by a high cooldown before CDR.

Trust me, I don't want Thresh jungle to become some OP meta pick, just a highly niche pick that can be a fun alternative every now and then.

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