Why is Zilean only considered a support?

LadyRenly··2 votes·496 views

Both on here and reddit, the general consensus is that Zilean was reworked into a support and his solo lane is gone.And he kind of is a support. While ARAM clearly shows he has annoying damage, he has great utility and since his lane isn't that great, he is better off down bot.

But I don't understand why people insist that Mid Zilean is DEAD. I have a funny feeling that if LCS ever took him mid, you would see him in mid again by all the lcs meta sheep.

Honestly, his early game is brutal because he is dependant on blue buffs to waveclear. But once he has Athene's, it's off to assist city. His bombs still hurt, but honestly even if he is a little behind, he still packs wicked utility. The speed, slows, stun and ult can provide so much for a team even when behind, moreso than a starved assassin could ever provide. Being fed just makes it worse.

Mid game he is perma sped, being able to roam wherever, whenever, doing whatever it is that needs doing. He can quickly go to drag and make plays.

Now that Kindred is a thing, nothing is more hilarious than just dropping a bomb on her and speeding off, letting her be content in her death-free zone just to get blown up by the delayed explosion.

I won't lie, it requires a lot of finesse and you really need to know what you are doing, you really can't facemash to win like some other champs, but it can work. And when it does, it catches people off guard because "ZILEAN MID!??! WTF THATS NOT A THING" All his damage may be tied to a delayed skillshot, but Xerath and Vel'Koz all have telegraphed, non-guaranteed damage too. Even with the likes of Fizz, you'd think he would counter Zilean because of his E, but it's that counter that actually counters itself. If Fizz wants to dodge your damage, he has to use his only escape. And when you build AP, it certainly hurts and it is very tempting to Playful/Trickster, meaning he won't ever be able to safely dive you without getting double bombed.

12 Comments

Brockinroll1 votes

He's a midlaner with little damage output, He has Only 1 ability that does damage, yes you can reset the cooldown and use two bombs, but then you're doing no damage, with bombs that may not land, and waiting on your q to come back up. Zilean mid lacks too much damage in his kit to carry as a mid laner, Maybe Zilean top could be useful that way you still have a midlaner who still has the damage output and switch with a top laners, who dont carry the team as much as midlaner in terms of damage

LadyRenly1 votes

How would he do no damage if he resets the cooldown? The second bomb sets the first off, then the next one takes its place

Brockinroll1 votes

as I said 2 bombs, but after that. you're not doing damage, 2 bombs is your limit for a several seconds.

khorney1 votes

Ohh man 3 seconds such a long time. Here is the thing zil doesnt have to hit you with the bombs to do the damage and he counters burst Champs like zed very well because of zil ult

Brockinroll1 votes

Im talking more about mid game its more than 3 seconds

3tyson1 votes

hes a ridiclouse strong suport everyone is just playing him wrong

max slow first not bomb fuck dmg walk up to adc point clck slow your skilshot is now all of a sudden the easiest to hit skilshot in game even on kalista trow bomb on her head 2times (ezzzzz) aoe stun adc folows up gg

im sort of wondering how hed be as an adc i mean free guardians angle he has stun now and increddible easy positioning with your speed up

i know he has derpy aa but maybe if you get some ad items and some atk speed its not that bad never tried

LadyRenly1 votes

that actually sounds alright. I had been maxing Q simply to poke to, but that sounds like a decent idea

3tyson1 votes

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that actually sounds alright. I had been maxing Q simply to poke to, but that sounds like a decent idea

theres allot more to it than just the easy stun Talon with the speed up you maxed can just walk passed the front line into the backline kill the adc and walk out hes so fast they wont even notice what happend there al like huh wdf hows he walking that fast hax ???

1000angrybees1 votes

He has a bad early game, but if you get the ball rolling he's got a decent late game with all his utility and high ratios.

Get a build like item 1314 item 3174 item 3285 item 3100 item 3089 item 3157

Sorcerer's shoes for MS and MP, Athene's for regen, Luden's for extra AOE/waveclear, Lich for an extra source of damage, rabadons is a must-buy, and zhonya's for that extra survivability and AP. Not to mention all the movement speed this old man will get. He'll have over 440 and his double speed boost. It's crazy fun.

the first time I used him mid I did it as a joke and I won. He had a LOT to offer to the team. He's under-rated. It can be hard to pull of though. Kind of like Sona.

khorney1 votes

I wouldn't get lich bane. Having max cd is vastly important and I would get liandrys and voidstaff and rylais for more damage. Pent is important on him and I always build damage when I support aside from support item and ss and zekes

Drezmal1 votes

riot needs to redo those recommended positions they were good in season 1 but nidalee isnt a support anymore

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