Can we finally admit Lucian is strong and stop the "buff Lucian" train?

LadyRenly·Dec 26, 2015·78 votes·3,887 views

When people ask for Lucian buffs, I cry a little on the inside. This guy goes 6/1 in the lane phase super easily and his ult melts life forms as if he were Vel'Koz

68 Comments

disregardableDec 26, 201527 votes

Who even asked for Lucian buffs.

._.

also, I'd like to say I think his power level is in a really good place right now.

Cosmic CocaineDec 26, 20154 votes

Power level over 9000 you'd say?

Blue Moon WolfDec 26, 20155 votes

na, that would be after getting deathfire touch in the game .__.

rtbf223219960Dec 27, 20155 votes

deathfire touch was nerfed so bad that its just smarter to take thunderlords decree now actually

Blue Moon WolfDec 27, 20151 votes

guess that would make more sense, since as a burst mage he naturally needs to chain together abilities to get the most out of them. I just assumed he had such a high win rate cause of deathfire touch.

Hyrum GraffDec 27, 20155 votes

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guess that would make more sense, since as a burst mage he naturally needs to chain together abilities to get the most out of them. I just assumed he had such a high win rate cause of deathfire touch.

Or b/c you can just hit one ability and the DoT will proc thunderlords.

I'd say that DFT (aside, ty dft) is still better on brand mid, because of the AP scaling, but on Brand support, the base dmg of thunderlord's is the way to go.

Tronzalore2033Dec 27, 20151 votes

Upvoted for the username. Space travel ftw.

Blue Moon WolfDec 27, 20151 votes

Or b/c you can just hit one ability and the DoT will proc thunderlords.

It does?! How has that not been nerfed yet? Not saying nerf thunderlords all together, but at least make it so DOT doesn't proc it. that just doesn't seem fair.

Hyrum GraffDec 28, 20151 votes

I haven't specifically tested it on brand, but that's how it works on malz aids and pool, morg pool, karma tether, etc, so I can't imagine it would be different for brand.

TaoistMasterDec 26, 20159 votes

Has he ever NOT been strong?

He is one of my best adc's because of how great his kit is, and how clean of an aa animation he has (seriously one of the best, if not THE best in the game)

I agree, the guy doesn't need buffs, and while he is strong, I wouldnt call for nerfs right now either.

Varus on the other hand.. this guy needs something. I'd give him a passive that doesn't suck.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 26, 20154 votes

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Has he ever NOT been strong?

He is one of my best adc's because of how great his kit is, and how clean of an aa animation he has (seriously one of the best, if not THE best in the game)

I agree, the guy doesn't need buffs, and while he is strong, I wouldnt call for nerfs right now either.

on the other hand.. this guy needs something. I'd give him a passive that doesn't suck.

His ult is hilariously over tuned right now. His ult does more than a 1,000 ap veigar ult. And he does it with just two b.fsword items. So, he does beyond 1k ap veigar damage with only 150 ap. I want you to think about that for a moment.

Chrome RavenDec 26, 201523 votes

tell me one person who sits in lucin ulti for the full duration. veigar ulti is a point and click , lucian ulti is not.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20156 votes

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tell me one person who sits in lucin ulti for the full duration. veigar ulti is a point and click , lucian ulti is not.

Any person without a dash and doesn't have flash. I only see it all the time in high plat. Person walking up and Lucian just pops R and deletes them. I've watched a level 18 full health tank Nasus die to just Lucian's ult. Don't even get me started on Mf's, or Jinx, or Kog, or Veigar, Gp, anyone similar to them. So yeah, down vote all you want. It's over tuned, over bearing, and retarded right now.

Just so you know, level 18 Lucian ult without any ad is 1500 damage. With thunder lords + AD Lucians ult hits for around 5k. And yes, a single culling can basically kill dragon and even do a large number to Baron.

SzunrayDec 27, 20152 votes

Nasus "Wither."

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20153 votes

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"Wither."

Lucian "E over wall." - Nasus has been slain-

ParoeDec 27, 20151 votes

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"E over wall." - has been slain-

Except lucians ult scales off of attac kspeed. Withering a lucian is actually very effective.

AVL PrinceDec 27, 20151 votes

Sure, like two/three patches ago. Now it scales 20-25-30 shots.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 201512 votes

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Except lucians ult scales off of attac kspeed. Withering a lucian is actually very effective.

attack speed has nothing to do with it anymore. Shows how much you pay attention to patch notes.

Only Play DariusDec 27, 20151 votes

item 3140

scoob12Dec 27, 20151 votes

you know that 1500 damage comes out to like 700 on a tank or like maybe 1000 on a squishy just cause base armor.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20152 votes

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you know that 1500 damage comes out to like 700 on a tank or like maybe 1000 on a squishy just cause base armor.

You know you're still ignoring the fact the only one with base damage on an ult like that is mf, and nunu. Also, that's still pretty redundant considering item 3036 exists, and the average life of an adc is around 1500 most of the game. Thus, a Lucian with 0 items at level 18 can kill a full health adc with just ult. Not even Nunu can do that.

scoob12Dec 27, 20153 votes

i like that you threw LDR in there when with just base armor champs have like 30-40% damage reduction. which LDR does nothing to stop. Also if your fighting another adc. Their health is going to comparable to yours so the bonus damage wouldnt apply either. It will never actually deal 1500 damage

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20152 votes

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i like that you threw LDR in there when with just base armor champs have like 30-40% damage reduction. which LDR does nothing to stop. Also if your fighting another adc. Their health is going to comparable to yours so the bonus damage wouldnt apply either. It will never actually deal 1500 damage

You get flat armor pen from mastery + typically youmuus has been bought lately. Lucian's tend to have rather good penetration this season. They don't need botrk, or infinity edge to do well anymore.

scoob12Dec 27, 20151 votes

lucians dont build ghostblade anymore man. all i see is essence reaver firecannon IE

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20151 votes

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lucians dont build ghostblade anymore man. all i see is essence reaver firecannon IE

I never see I.E.

bunnysnifferDec 27, 20151 votes

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I never see I.E.

http://probuilds.net/champions/details/Lucian

I don't see youmuu's.

TwinkieProDec 27, 20151 votes

The best build for lucian is max cdr and damage. atk speed is somewhat wasted as long as you can proc your passive often. My standard build is usually ER, FireCannon, BT, IE, GA if we are losing, or a last whisper if we are winning. and ofc boots. Huge damage for Q and R, lots of dashing, and a heft amount of atk speed with passive.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20151 votes

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i like that you threw LDR in there when with just base armor champs have like 30-40% damage reduction. which LDR does nothing to stop. Also if your fighting another adc. Their health is going to comparable to yours so the bonus damage wouldnt apply either. It will never actually deal 1500 damage

Are you willing to do a challenge. I guarantee I can kill two to three squishiy people standing in a line with just Lucian ult. You know, since you swear Lucian can't 100-0 someone with an ult.

McprowlingtonDec 26, 20154 votes

Damn, you really dug deep for that. I don't think I could find two abilities that are any less comparable.

Itadaki SeiekiDec 26, 20155 votes

Rengar puts him in stealth, Taric's ulti buffs an entire team?

DEFINATELY NERF VEIGAR.

..Am I doing it right?

bunnysnifferDec 27, 20151 votes

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His ult is hilariously over tuned right now. His ult does more than a 1,000 ap veigar ult. And he does it with just two b.fsword items. So, he does beyond 1k ap veigar damage with only 150 ap. I want you to think about that for a moment.

Overstating doesn't help your credibility. It kills it.

CaptnJakSparrowDec 27, 20151 votes

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Overstating doesn't help your credibility. It kills it.

You're coming off like someone who plays a lot of Lucian and is trying to cover it up =). It's okay. He'll be nerfed in a few months and he'll stop being picked again and you can go circle jerk denial another champ.

Maligaro SpikeDec 26, 20152 votes

his auto animation and feel with project skin is one of the best

Blue Moon WolfDec 27, 20153 votes

there was a point before they started messing with Lucian 's dash where he was underpowered and no one would ever pick him (actually had people dodge cause someone picked him). Then they made his dash a free spell and suddenly he became a prototype Kalista so to speak, till they finally settled on it being a low mana cost spell and only free once it's maxed out.

GlockHammerDec 27, 20154 votes

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Has he ever NOT been strong?

He is one of my best adc's because of how great his kit is, and how clean of an aa animation he has (seriously one of the best, if not THE best in the game)

I agree, the guy doesn't need buffs, and while he is strong, I wouldnt call for nerfs right now either.

on the other hand.. this guy needs something. I'd give him a passive that doesn't suck.

He was pretty much trash in season 4 and parts of season 5? He would get utterly decimated by Vayne who he was more or less intended to counter as a lane bully, honestly, he was so bad that I totally gave up on playing him. Note, this is not a rant, just trying to remind the community that he WAS bad.

I have yet to play him this season so I don't really know where he is, but one thing I know from having played against him is that he's clearly stronger than before, which is a good thing, so I agree and I'd also like to see where he ends up before screaming for nerfs or buffs. He might be totally ok.

UB3R 1337 H4XDec 28, 20151 votes

Around his release he was more or less sh*tty Graves but that was fairly brief.

Mr Broken WingsDec 26, 20157 votes

Lucian and miss fortune are the 2 top ad carries in this game right now. Both horribly easy to play with too much damage in their ultimates. I dont think anybody who asks for lucian buffs right now thinks that he needs them, its a joke I guess.

A Miss FortuneDec 26, 20158 votes

Miss Fortune and Lucian's ultimates are two very different things though and the ADCs themselves are very different.

Miss Fortune's ultimate is probably one of the highest damaging abilities in the game but it forces her to stand still and she cannot redirect it.

Lucian's is more of a dueling ability that lets him kite or hit people from a high range and generally requires you to take a considerable duration of the channel.

fééd l0rdDec 27, 20153 votes

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Miss Fortune and Lucian's ultimates are two very different things though and the ADCs themselves are very different.

Miss Fortune's ultimate is probably one of the highest damaging abilities in the game but it forces her to stand still and she cannot redirect it.

Lucian's is more of a dueling ability that lets him kite or hit people from a high range and generally requires you to take a considerable duration of the channel.

Lucian is a bit strong and Miss Fortune is just way too strong... She is strong during teamfights and bullies you down in lane. Even Qtpie said she is broken lol.

BluePolarizerDec 27, 20151 votes

MF stands still but there's little you can do to stop her unless you are Talon or Gragas since if she pops it, it is hitting at least 2+ people in a huge AOE bigger than the dash range of most assassins and bruisers. It also frontloads her damage that is typically dealt by other ADCs through 8-10 autos on 1 target at a time, to 3 seconds of a giant AOE nuke on 2-5 champs at a time.

I Miss CannonDec 27, 20151 votes

because her not being able to redirect it and forcing her to stand still is such a downside when it takes up more than a whole screen. classic mf main

A Miss FortuneDec 27, 20151 votes

Regardless of the range her being forced to stand still is a HUGE downside. It means that if she isn't positioned in the absolute perfect spot she's so easy to kill, especially now with champions like Zed, Rengar, and Leblanc all being popular. I'm not saying Miss Fortune's ultimate is weak and super hard to use, but if you want to have as many pentas with MF as I do you can't just have mediocre positioning.

I Miss CannonDec 27, 20151 votes

miss fortune kills all that assassins you mentioned with her ult before they reach her expect maybe rengar with ghostblade

TwinkieProDec 27, 20151 votes

I've never seen Lucian as easy to play, just clean AA and good damage and items that synergize well. Took me far to long to learn him. As for MF, she is heavily overtuned, and certainly needs nerfs. Not fun being bullied to hell as tristana against an MF and Sona/blitz combo. IMO, those 2 supports need nerfs.

Mr Broken WingsDec 28, 20151 votes

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I've never seen Lucian as easy to play, just clean AA and good damage and items that synergize well. Took me far to long to learn him. As for MF, she is heavily overtuned, and certainly needs nerfs. Not fun being bullied to hell as tristana against an MF and Sona/blitz combo. IMO, those 2 supports need nerfs.

Just get better in the game, if you think sona and blitzcrank ( especially him lol) need nerfs because mf is strong then you simply dont have the basics yet. Ask yourself the question why do people spam brand support and mage supports? Easy answer, traditional supports are complete trash right now and just outclassed by other champions in their own role. And no, lucian is not hard or anything, his ult can 100-0 people if hit completly with little lead while his kit is completly binary and simple. I like both ad carries but at least I can see that they are ridicilously overpowered right now.

Hayaishi2Dec 26, 20154 votes

Nobody is requesting Lucian buffs.

Ariel the CruelDec 26, 20154 votes

Have they bug fixed his ult yet? Last I played him, I unloaded the entire thing into a single cannon minion.

TheProAndrewDec 27, 20153 votes

item 3508 = tons of dashes

also he doesnt need to build attack speed anymore to add shots into his ulti

The DeckownerDec 26, 20152 votes

i have never seen a single post that even mentioned buffing lucian before this one.

Burnt LightDec 28, 20151 votes

The issue I usually find with Lucian is that in late game he starts to fall off in comparison to other ADCs. However, his early and mid game are strong and should be taken advantage of.