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You Do Not Need To Win Lane To Win Games

EnigmaticMachine··21 votes·11,881 views

It has been a long time since I have made a thread that helps new players and old ones that are having struggles and in most cases to almost all of them YOU DO NOT NEED TO WIN LANE TO WIN GAMES. Let me put some facts behind this.

Now we know farming is key to get gold and using that gold to make you and your team-fighting or split pushing or objective clearing stronger. On the other hand you can get kills which are viewed as luxury gold because it is not really secured gold. You can prevent the enemy from getting kill gold but you cannot prevent the enemy from taking minion if they counter your champion or if they are better at the game.

Everyone can remember someone dying 5 times to the enemy top laner which then enables that top laner to snowball the rest of the lanes.

PUT TRUST IN YOUR TEAMMATES TO ACTUALLY WIN THEIR LANES BECAUSE IN MOST CASES YOU AT LEAST WIN ONE OF THEM. Dont feed and ask for help through chat and coordinate actual engages that also helps your jungler not baby sit your hell hole of a lane.

Feeding early is the number one reason why you lose most of your games and for your teammates. Stop thinking you are pro or even good. Take some humiliation and lose the lane if it means winning the game. Odds are you will see your win rate skyrocket if you just focus on getting what farm is available instead of thinking im the best let me try to snowball myself. You just die 10 times in 25 minutes with that thinking.

Please just think about your teammates and stop thinking you are the hard carry. 5 champs are always better than 1. Its simple math. The more well rounded your team gold is distributed the more healthy your teamfights will become. One super fed master yi can still get the D from a better coordinated team.

Choose your champs wisely. Pick around what others want to play. Text in chat for better team comps. Find ults that synergize well. Pros and good players always communicate. They always try to help each other out.

All it takes is thinking you are worse and you will see yourself climb. It worked for me because my highest ranking is plat this season 9 but after more trolls think they are gods and die 5 times before laning phase ends just ruins the game for the rest of your team.

39 Comments

TekkenPlayer12 votes

I agree. You just need to snowball and camp the shit out of bot lane to win

ZaFishbone6 votes

No advice is worse ion lower ELO than "trust your teammates".

IP Masquerena3 votes

Can confirm. Trust can throw as many games, if not more if you're actually better, than it can win.

ZaFishbone1 votes

Play for yourself. Help your teammates only when it makes sense in that particular instance, like an easy gank, otherwise always play to carry.

AlienPrimate2 votes

No advice is better in any elo than learn how to be carried. If you are 0/2 in top lane and your Zed in middle lane is 2/0, stop trying to fight. Just sit at 0/2 for the next 15 minutes and let your Zed carry you instead of becoming 2/7 making it that much harder to be carried.

ZaFishbone1 votes

I personally prefer to be the one to try to carry. But I often wish my teammates would learn your brand of advice. Like why on hearth was the 1/6 Irelia going 1v1 against the 6/0 Sion, on HIS side of the lane, with no vision in river?

ihateyouallmuted4 votes

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good players always communicate. They always try to help each other out.

I would say this is the only important takeaway from this post.

This recent concept that you should fullmute all before you start the game is really toxic in and of itself. You can't dismiss the people who you signed up to play this game with.

FullmuteAll play3 votes

Of course you can. You did not sign up for this. It is not like you built your team or joint an organized one. It is only toxic for people who are toxic or just like to whine.

ihateyouallmuted4 votes

As in, you require nine other humans to play a game of LoL. That's what you signed up for - and by literally minute one you want to pretend they don't even exist?

To enter a game and have it not only be plausible, but viewed as necessary to gag order every other human in the game... and that's not toxic? The people who love the same game as you?

The pedestal you have to be placing yourself on - albeit a great defense mechanism - is the darkest root of toxicity. "These horrible beasts, clacking their paws on the keyboard! Preventative measures must be taken." That is outwardly toxic and introspectively petty.

Never seen people so willing to lose on their own terms before daring victory if that requires a shred of humanity.

Champion Skin1 votes

As in, you require nine other humans to play a game of LoL.

RIP Twisted Treeline

ihateyouallmuted1 votes

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

FullmuteAll play2 votes

I do not require anybody to play. I play by my will, they play by their will. They do know that there is such option to mute all --they still queue, that means they sign up ,that they are aware, that people can mute them. I don't gag order anybody, I use ear plugs. It is absolutely not toxic. If it would be toxic ,it would't be optional to do. There is nothing bad in taking preventative measures. The only one, who consider it toxic are toxic animals, who deserve to feel bad. I absolutely don't mind being toxic towards them. Yeeet, I don't lose....Moreover I win more, as these idiots don't waste their time on chatting, at least on me.

ihateyouallmuted1 votes

You aren't wrong, and you don't have to change the way you play the game. Just try to change the way you feel.

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I do not require anybody to play.

you literally do. that's kind of the point im making. five versus five, you aren't ten people.

I don't gag order anybody, I use ear plugs. It is absolutely not toxic.

It may not seem like it is, but your intentions certainly are.

You seem like you don't play League of Legends, you just play "your thing." That's really not how the design of this game works. To clamp your ears and run head long into a team game going LA LA LA is an untenable stance to take. And yes, I've been playing since s2 and I have seen everything you have. What can they really do to bring you down?

HOWEVER - They will very likely be able to ping a jungler or summoner spell that could change the state of the game for me. People are like that: they want to perform well. In this game that includes at the most fundamental levels showing awareness and coordination - you can do neither while in your bubble.

The only one who consider it toxic are toxic animals, who deserve to feel bad. I absolutely don't mind being toxic towards them.

I mean, you get it right? You claim your mentality is not toxic yet you are literally planting the same flag and dying on the same hill as they are. To reduce both your foes AND teammates before the game even begins is Hall of Fame, Dictionary Definition, First Class Toxicity. You should mind being toxic to ANYBODY. It is not vindictive in the slightest, it's indicative that you harbor the same weakness that they do.

Yeeet, I don't lose....Moreover I win more, as these idiots don't waste their time on chatting, at least on me.

And when you type that you "always win lane but team lose game" below in the thread?

In this meta especially, you are meant to bring your advantages to other lanes, but that requires communication optimally. You lack the winning mentality to do so.

Maybe you aren't being toxic by placing yourself in a little bubble, but you certainly make no effort towards constructive behavior, and this leads me to believe that you use muteall as a preventative measure not against others - but against yourself.

FullmuteAll play1 votes

I will stand on my point that I don't require anybody to play, they queue by themselves. It is not like I formed a team and require them to play. I never mute people I duoQ with or my organized team. My intentions are actually very clear. 1) I want toxic people to waste less of their time on stupid chatting. 2) I see low value in chat, in my case, it distracts me way more than brings useful information. Well kinda yeah, I play my thing, I play for my pleasure, not for someone's else, you can call it selfish, but in the end of the day, that's how I want to spend my free time. If developers added an option to mute all , then it doesn't go against game design.

Please refer me where I claimed my non-toxic mentality. It is absolutely fine (not really) to have toxic mentality, as long as you don't affect adequate players. I am very confident, that ignoring toxic players is more effective than arguing with them, it is well known fact actually. As I mentioned above , my mentality is far from non-toxic, but my mind is also critical, and I just can't be wasting my time on chatting. Trust me I did try to talk with toxic players, it is absolutely ungrateful shit, neither I want to see all these fucking whiners, as they want nothing but whining on somebody/something. I also tried target muting people, but at some point all these degenerates start flaming or whining; it is just a matter of time. I just can't hold my aggression towards such behavior, for some time I did, but keep in mind I am playing this game to have a fucking fun, not train my mental. If I at some point I will decide to train my mental, I will stop playing muted, but it is not in close future.

Not sure what you found in that post ? Yes, I mostly win my lane, but yet sometimes lose ? Not sure what you wanted to tell me here. It is more of an issue with macro, nothing about fullmute mentality. Ah and yes, you maybe didn't know, but even though I mute everyting allies still see my pings (keep it in secret).

As I said earlier,I am confident, that muting toxic people contributes towards better effectiveness, as they don't waste their time on chatting. In case you decided not to read all this summary, as I mentioned I care more about my well spent time, hence I use muteall for me, not against/for somebody.

ihateyouallmuted1 votes

I made this comment chain mostly in lieu of making a thread of my own about this topic, but I thank you for being here for it. The worst feeling is the idea that people won't even pay attention.

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I will stand on my point that I don't require anybody to play

So you spend literally all of your game time in the PRACTICE TOOL, with no other humans whatsoever? Or do you play against human opponents with humans on your team?

My intentions are actually very clear. 1) I want toxic people to waste less of their time on stupid chatting. 2) I see low value in chat, in my case, it distracts me way more than brings useful information.

I assure you they will still waste their time haha.

Reading is like breathing. You can pretty much do it without thinking. I don't see low value in summoner timings, jungler position, ward locations, or objective control at all. Those are vital to success in game.

Please refer me where I claimed my non-toxic mentality.

I don't gag order anybody, I use ear plugs. It is absolutely not toxic.

That's all.

I have never advocated for arguing with toxic players. You are assuming they are toxic before even acknowledging their existence. Again, as percentages go, you've probably got the upper hand here.

When I said you use chat restriction as a preemptive measure against yourself not others, this line is what I was referring to:

I just can't hold my aggression towards such behavior

Then mute all, it is the better alternative. As you say, the developers included it for a reason.

Not sure what you found in that post ? Yes, I mostly win my lane, but yet sometimes lose ? Not sure what you wanted to tell me here. It is more of an issue with macro, nothing about fullmute mentality.

The "i won lane, you all succ" mentality is just largely disappointing in this community, that's all. I remember seeing a post from a guy who was like "I WIN LANE EVERY FUCKING GAME ON JAYCE AND MY TEAM ALWAYS SUCKS" when he didn't realize jayce literally won almost every lane matchup by default pre nerfs.

Macro largely involves communication through pings or simple messages like "drag after re" or "push bot so we can baron" if you have fullmuted, you are useless to your team in macro conceptually, though in practice few games come down to this wire.

Bârd3 votes

Related: You don't need to carry a match.

Just do your part. Not being dead weight is enough.

Source: A guy who has hit diamond by playing Braum when the meta was nothing but Lucian/Ezreal.

Aazzlano1 votes

you mean by playing the most broken support to lane with Lucian, one of the most broken ADC in history? probably at one of his peaks...

Jbels2 votes

No, you don't need to win lane to win game. You do, however, need to not lose lane to win game.

EnigmaticMachine1 votes

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No, you don't need to win lane to win game. You do, however, need to not lose lane to win game.

You are a feeder I can tell.

Jbels2 votes

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You are a feeder I can tell.

Dude your match history shows you going negative or extremely close to negative in a ton of your games, get out of here with that shit.

EnigmaticMachine1 votes

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Dude your match history shows you going negative or extremely close to negative in a ton of your games, get out of here with that shit.

Then explain why my shen support sits at a KDA of 3.5. Thats no where close to negative playing as 1 a support and 2 a tank.

Jbels1 votes

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EnigmaticMachine1 votes

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Oh yeah, my bad. I just thought I would counter your shit argument with another shit argument.

This is why you are still silver trash.

Jbels1 votes

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This is why you are still silver trash.

You realize Gold is just silver the sequel, right? It's okay man, everyone is impressed by your slightly shinier badge.

xelaker2 votes

the people that say things like this are the ones that go 3/9 and blame the jung

EnigmaticMachine2 votes

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the people that say things like this are the ones that go 3/9 and blame the jung

Why do people like you not even read the full post? You are making a fool of yourself kid.

xelaker2 votes

Then they pull the kid insult as if a child couldn't play the game better and make less excuses

FullmuteAll play2 votes

I can confirm, as I almost always win my lane, but end up losing.

Srbonator1 votes

And You Do Not Need To Do This

Kai Guy1 votes

Yea, Its about averages. You can up an average by adding higher numbers to the top end and you can also increase a average by decreasing the bottom end. Dice 20 average is 10.5 Remove the lower end values and you change its average to be higher. Take off 1-4 and your left with 12.5

Summoner SpeII1 votes

i rather lose after doing well with a bull shit team than win after feeding my face off and having my team hard carry me, just imo. This kind of mentality keeps me high elo (im diamond 1)

U R Good At Game1 votes

Most cases you at least win one of them? Yeah the one I'm in and the lane that I have been roaming to because I won. I actually get an erection when I see a lane actually gets ahead without me.

Titanium701 votes

The art of getting your selfed carried. Pretty much extinct these days.

5050BS1 votes

You just need to not have the Inter/Feeder on your team.

JRobin311 votes

To say it more concisely, you don't need to win lane, you need to not lose lane.

Progress is cleaning up the games you would otherwise lose as opposed to winning the games you already win anyways.

FuccBoiIncOze1 votes

True you dont need to win lane, you need t ofucking stomp it and make sure enemy adc, supp cant come back u right

Baby Ghoul1 votes

A lot of people just don't know how to be carried.

They want to be the carry.

Also, I don't think you should ever trust your teammates if you don't know them. It's always better to act like they're stupid and going to mess up until they prove they're helpful. Placing too much trust in a bad player can easily lose you the game. cough Junglers that give all the pressure to a losing lane. cough

The Gray Wind

Excluding the trust part, because ADCs throw hard in my games (they keep fighting and trying to farm) I have the lane thing you said down for when I'm mid and adc, is there anything else I can do?

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

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