Bruisers are broken

EnigmaticMachine··14 votes·4,905 views

Bruisers do not need a key stone when almost half of the items in the game synergize with their kits perfectly. Items like item 3078 item 3143 item 3748 item 3512 item 3071 item 3065 item 3813 item 3110 item 3022 item 3742 item 3147 item 3026 item 3080 item 3025 item 1401 item 1413 item 3047 item 3033 item 3036 item 3153 item 2033 item 3053item 1412 item 1400item 3508item 3161item 1416 item 1419 . These bruisers have the widest variety of item paths and are being projected as "useless". Half of these items are not even meant for them but are tank items or adc items. This is not what a bruiser should be building. They are worse than tank meta because they just run it down on your carries and don't die while nuking enemies from bad positioning. Tanks on the other hand dont even deal that much dmg and were getting shit for it from the beginning. Tell me just looking at that build path which is worse versus the one I am showing you that most tanks build. item 3001 item 3194 item 3083 item 3512 item 3742 item 3068 item 3075 item 3143 item 3748item 3065 item 3110item 1401 item 1413 . These items that a tank builds are sometimes more expensive and do not give nearly as much stats that a bruiser build gives. I only used the viable tank items because anything else doesn't help tanks with their recommended build. Brusiers are just tank adcs. They completely ruined this game after season 7. They dominate the jungle and top lane and are now becoming a problem in the mid lane.

Also adding the champs for reference Aatrox Camille Darius Hecarim Illaoi Irelia JarvanIV Jax Kayn Kled Olaf RekSai Renekton Riven Trundle Tryndamere Urgot Udyr Warwick Those are all the champs who can abuse a very good portion or even all the items listed for bruisers at some point in their carrier or even right now.

Adding the champs in the middle who are troublesome to balance but are in an okay state right now. These are the fighter/ tanks. Who only build one or maybe even two dmg items and then staright into tank. Skarner Shen Shyvana . Those are fighters. Even though ap shyv is kind of a glass cannon meme. But overall rn these champs are healthy and good for the meta. They are not dominating until the very late game which is where they are suppose to be at.

These are tanks who almost never build ap items or any fighter/bruiser items. Alistar DrMundo Ornn Sion Leona Nautilus Rammus Taric Lethality Sion is an outlier along with TahmKench . Tahm I wish woudlnt be a support. He has much more potential in the top lane or jungle.

28 Comments

Ragnaveil7 votes

...Guess I gotta point out things yet again. The champs that are "broken" are Fighters, not their tanky less damage/mobility counterpart. Bruisers, who dont really exist right now and instead have been made into a different class, are the Juggernaut class. Juggernauts are not broken. Idk why people are afraid of saying the word Fighter.

Also bruisers by design build half fighter half tank. Nowadays Fighters can do it with no tradeoff while Bruisers get diminishing returns. So the next time you see a Jax, Irelia, Riven, Fiora, Ren, J4, Panth, Hec, Udyr, remember they are fighters just abusing general defensive (MR and Armor)'s shitty scaling while retaining high damage and using tanky items (or having tank steroids on their kit, Ren and Jax) better than their intended users.

Also, if "Bruisers" are taking over midlane, then how do I see only two of them, and they aren't even top tier? Its only Morde (16) (overrated) and Aatrox (26) (overexaggerated). Mid is just assassins and mages trading spots.

Hayaishi23 votes

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...Guess I gotta point out things yet again. The champs that are "broken" are Fighters, not their tanky less damage/mobility counterpart. Bruisers, who dont really exist right now and instead have been made into a different class, are the Juggernaut class. Juggernauts are not broken. Idk why people are afraid of saying the word Fighter.

Also bruisers by design build half fighter half tank. Nowadays Fighters can do it with no tradeoff while Bruisers get diminishing returns. So the next time you see a Jax, Irelia, Riven, Fiora, Ren, J4, Panth, Hec, Udyr, remember they are fighters just abusing general defensive (MR and Armor)'s shitty scaling while retaining high damage and using tanky items (or having tank steroids on their kit, Ren and Jax) better than their intended users.

Also, if "Bruisers" are taking over midlane, then how do I see only two of them, and they aren't even top tier? Its only Morde (16) (overrated) and Aatrox (26) (overexaggerated). Mid is just assassins and mages trading spots.

Idk i grew i up calling everything up there either a tank or a bruiser.

DuskDaUmbreon5 votes

Because bruisers are all "Tanky but damage-dealing" champs that aren't just actual tanks with unusually high damage (So Cho'gath and Poppy aren't bruisers, because they're tanks, because they fit the definition of tank more). Juggernauts and divers are both bruisers. "Fighter" is generally synonymous with "bruiser", although it's also used to describe both divers and skirmishers by people.

Juggernaut is a subclass of bruiser that is low- to no-mobility tanky champions with high damage, who usually (but not always) have some form of CC. Divers are a similar subclass of bruiser, but they're generally less tanky and are mobile. Skirmishers are basically melee marksmen.

The whole thing can be represented as four venn diagrams, tbh. Juggernauts are like tanks but less CC and mobility, and more damage. Divers are like juggernauts but with less durability and more mobility. Skirmishers are like divers but with less burst and durability, but more damage. ADCs are like skirmishers but less mobility and durability, but with range. All have some form of DPS.

Calling everyone toplane a tank or bruiser isn't totally accurate (champions like Quinn, Teemo, and Kayle exist), but it's not too far from the truth.

Ragnaveil1 votes

It's like saying Riven is a bruiser when shes an over the top fighter that can survive like one. The fact people are saying all fighters are bruisers shows theres a clear cut problem with toplane.

Sirsir2 votes

You're arguing semantics. Juggernauts are called juggernauts, fighters are just called bruisers because that fits better and it's been a word for longer. Same reason people keep saying ADC instead of Marksman and I have a friend that still calls raptors 'Wraiths' sometimes.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Fighter: High or mid tier mobility and high or mid tier damage. Example: Riven Bruiser: Mid tier damage and mid or low tier tankyness. Example: Trundle

The thigh guy6 votes

Bruisers have been broken out their asses for ages now. It’s time for them to be put back down for a bit.

They are tankier than tanks Do more damage the mages and adcs Some have the same mobility as an assassin More burst than mages and assassins And get handed hard cc now?

There is close to nothing bruisers don’t have. Tanky? Yup Damage? Yup Mobility? Yup Sustain? Yup Cc? Yup Scaling? Yup Early game? Yup

There is literally ONE thing they don’t have. And it’s ranged autos. But I’m sure the mobility fixes it.

And yet somehow the hashinshin echo chamber continues and “bruisers are just terrible because kennen and vlad can bully us sometimes! :c” while shitting on every other class from every angle possible.

mRiOzQAmos4 votes

I love the scaling, mobility, and burst my Darius has. Can definitely bully Vayne out of the top lane.. Oh wait.

The thigh guy1 votes

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I love the scaling, mobility, and burst my Darius has. Can definitely bully Vayne out of the top lane.. Oh wait.

Oh yes. The entire one patch she was a decent top laner, then got fucked by the Guinsuu nerfs.

If you can bitch about stuff that’s already been nerfed does that mean I can still complain about irelia adc and the crit gutting even though it’s gone for a while?

mRiOzQAmos1 votes

She doesn't need Guinsoo's to dominate top lane.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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Bruisers have been broken out their asses for ages now. It’s time for them to be put back down for a bit.

They are tankier than tanks Do more damage the mages and adcs Some have the same mobility as an assassin More burst than mages and assassins And get handed hard cc now?

There is close to nothing bruisers don’t have. Tanky? Yup Damage? Yup Mobility? Yup Sustain? Yup Cc? Yup Scaling? Yup Early game? Yup

There is literally ONE thing they don’t have. And it’s ranged autos. But I’m sure the mobility fixes it.

And yet somehow the hashinshin echo chamber continues and “bruisers are just terrible because kennen and vlad can bully us sometimes! :c” while shitting on every other class from every angle possible.

I've camped a Camille to the tune of 1/7 before and as soon as she completed item 3078 she started demolishing us.

There was a time in the past where Trinity Force was 4,000 gold...

Jinzo Torrance2 votes

And Trinity Sheen was 150% base AD and not 200%.

Good times.

Hayaishi25 votes

Agreed, bruiser items are overloaded af.

Ragnaveil1 votes

So DD, a clear cut Fighter item, is apparently a bruiser item like steaks and bc. Good to know.

Lovelle5 votes

Not all bruisers are the same. There is a large difference between Jax/Irelia and Darius/Trundle.

GodlyBane4 votes

the amount of invalid points is so cringe im not going to even attempt to prove you wrong holy fuck

EnigmaticMachine1 votes

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the amount of invalid points is so cringe im not going to even attempt to prove you wrong holy fuck

YOu cant prove me wrong that the point.

GodlyBane2 votes

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YOu cant prove me wrong that the point.

I just said im not going to attempt to prove you wrong. Look over yourself, man. Be more logical, and stop assuming shit about a class you dont even touch

Daddy Ants3 votes

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Bruisers do not need a key stone when almost half of the items in the game synergize with their kits perfectly. Items like item 3078 item 3143 item 3748 item 3512 item 3071 item 3065 item 3813 item 3110 item 3022 item 3742 item 3147 item 3026 item 3080 item 3025 item 1401 item 1413 item 3047 item 3033 item 3036 item 3153 item 2033 item 3053item 1412 item 1400item 3508item 3161item 1416 item 1419 .

I think you've just gone and linked random items to make your post look more credible

Duskblade is an Assassin item. Guardian Angel is fine, it's inferior to Zhonya's in every way possible. Bloodthirster is an ADC item. Mortal Reminder is more of an ADC/Assassin item. Lord Dominik's is more of an ADC/Assassin item. Blade of the Ruined King is more of an ADC item. Essence Reaver is an ADC Item. Bloodrazor isn't used by Bruisers. Bruisers or "Fighters" use Warrior primarily.

EnigmaticMachine2 votes

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I think you've just gone and linked random items to make your post look more credible

Duskblade is an Assassin item. Guardian Angel is fine, it's inferior to Zhonya's in every way possible. Bloodthirster is an ADC item. Mortal Reminder is more of an ADC/Assassin item. Lord Dominik's is more of an ADC/Assassin item. Blade of the Ruined King is more of an ADC item. Essence Reaver is an ADC Item. Bloodrazor isn't used by Bruisers. Bruisers or "Fighters" use Warrior primarily.

I can tell you dont fucking read.

DGOT1 votes

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I can tell you dont fucking read.

i can tell that u dont fucking read

FSRER3 votes

What champions do you think as bruisers, really?

Tahminatrix 2 votes

This is just a nitpick but shouldn't item 3022 be listed for tanks aswell, I know it gives ad but item 3001 gives a % magic damage increase aura and item 3748 gives ad too. (you listed both for tanks aswell)

Speaking of items that are good for tanks but give damage, item 3053 is such a broken bruiser item, I tend to buy it on tanks rather than item 3193 when I need anti burst.

item 3193 wont protect you from % max health damage, item 3053 will, and it doesn't waste gold on crappy flat mr / armor that will get penetrated by item 3071 , not to mention item 3053 works even when there isn't 3 enemy champions nearby.

EnigmaticMachine1 votes

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This is just a nitpick but shouldn't item 3022 be listed for tanks aswell, I know it gives ad but item 3001 gives a % magic damage increase aura and item 3748 gives ad too. (you listed both for tanks aswell)

Speaking of items that are good for tanks but give damage, item 3053 is such a broken bruiser item, I tend to buy it on tanks rather than item 3193 when I need anti burst.

item 3193 wont protect you from % max health damage, item 3053 will, and it doesn't waste gold on crappy flat mr / armor that will get penetrated by item 3071 , not to mention item 3053 works even when there isn't 3 enemy champions nearby.

Titanic is the only decent Item that helps with what tanks do. HP scale. Titanic is good for hp scaling dmg.

The Kombinator2 votes

They can be countered so nothing needs to be done with them.

Tanks are good as they are. Any buff on them would instantly bring back the tank meta, and nobody likes the tank meta.

taleofsonata1 votes

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They can be countered so nothing needs to be done with them.

Tanks are good as they are. Any buff on them would instantly bring back the tank meta, and nobody likes the tank meta.

At Least the Tank Meta made other champions roles Viable unlike bruisers who literally just terminated all diversity top lane and mid. Because everyone is spamming out of their Asses AD Assassins and Bruisers.

Zeyphel2 votes

Hashinshin would want a word with you.

DeathBurst1 votes

You want to see broken Bruisers? Go play 3v3. There, Bruisers are actually broken, because there isn't much room to kite and not enough people to focus fire big durable threats. So guys like Trundle, Darius, Urgot, Illaoi can literally 1v3 if they are slightly ahead.

But in standard 5v5? Bruisers are really fine.

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