Something I have wondered for awhile

Jefftiffy·Mar 12, 2016·2 votes·297 views

Why can you start + 3x as an AD champ but mages almost have to go + 2x. Why isn't 400g when it gives worse stats than . You are trading gold efficiency for a better build path. But if you build it is about equal to building even on AD caster champs. I feel that without mana pots we can afford to drop the cost of to 400g and adjust all items that build out of it so they have the same costs. Or we can choose to bump up to 375g to force AD casters to either lose xp or lose out on some of the hp regen from the 3rd .

I feel like these changes might help deal with why people like are so annoying (not necessarily broken) in mid without actually hitting their kits. This would also help make a better item for quite a few tops than in comparison.

13 Comments

Virgin RayMar 12, 20161 votes

I also wonder why item 3170 isn't available in summoners rift so AP itemization can actually have another armor AP item besides item 3157

JefftiffyMar 12, 20161 votes

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I also wonder why isn't available in summoners rift so AP itemization can actually have another armor AP item besides

I think the problem is moonflair is kind of an eh item. item 3170 50 armor, 50 AP, 50 MR and tenacity. For a lot of champs it won't be good and then you will have abuse cases like Singed . Try locking him down with item 3111 + . If you want an armor AP item, it's better to go the route of something like 50 AP, 25 armor + 15 base armor (armor that cannot be reduced by LW or yasuo ult), 250 hp, and 100% mana regen and 15% CDR. Most items are supposed to be specialized. Moonflair is so general that only people like Singed who use everything in it will actually benefit from it.

HildebrandMar 12, 20161 votes

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I think the problem is moonflair is kind of an eh item. 50 armor, 50 AP, 50 MR and tenacity. For a lot of champs it won't be good and then you will have abuse cases like . Try locking him down with + . If you want an armor AP item, it's better to go the route of something like 50 AP, 40 armor, 250 hp, and 100% mana regen and 15% CDR.

It's great for p much every AP assassin though

Like Kat, Di, Ekko, Elise, etc.

JefftiffyMar 12, 20162 votes

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It's great for p much every AP assassin though

Like Kat, Di, Ekko, Elise, etc.

The thing is their itemization is actually pretty good for the most part. They do their job without it. We need something for the mages not for the assassins. You can't make an item for an AP assassin to counter an AD assassin. The AP assassin should win in most cases anyways.

Look at item 3147 . Very few AD assassins actually have had room in their builds to build it let alone rush it. It was a good idea, but it didn't really work and just kind of died on release.

Chaos Milk TeaMar 12, 20161 votes

I really don't want more assassins going around who can't be cc'd.

JefftiffyMar 12, 20161 votes

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I really don't want more assassins going around who can't be cc'd.

That's kind of why I said moonflair is kind of eh and isn't really good for the game and offered a different solution to what people keep trying to use it for.

Icestar1186Mar 13, 20161 votes

Tenacity is a unique passive. It can't stack.

JefftiffyMar 13, 20161 votes

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Tenacity is a unique passive. It can't stack.

It can and doesnt mean that an assassin should get it for free as a part of their build. I did kind of derp and forget about that last night, but it still isn't good to let assassins get defense and damage to all sources from one item.

Icestar1186Mar 13, 20161 votes

If it stacks, that's a bug. Unique passives with the same name shouldn't apply more than once, and the unique passive on both mercs and moonflair is named Tenacity; it doesn't just provide that stat.

JefftiffyMar 13, 20161 votes

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If it stacks, that's a bug. Unique passives with the same name shouldn't apply more than once, and the unique passive on both mercs and moonflair is named Tenacity; it doesn't just provide that stat.

There are places where it stacks. Masteries, Irelia , and DrMundo .

Icestar1186Mar 14, 20161 votes

I was talking about the items. Mercs can't stack with Spellblade.

JefftiffyMar 13, 20161 votes

I'm kind of surprised that people are down voting me when it is generally agreed upon that AD itemization is much better than AP itemization. I mean AD has the advantage right from lvl 1. They choose damage and higher long term sustain or damage and higher short term sustain. AP has damage and sustain or slightly higher damage and lower hp sustain and lower mana sustain. This IMO is not fair especially because AP users tend to be on the higher end of mana usage (with exceptions like Katarina Akali ) and often have lower DPS. If they fail they tend to not be able to do anything for awhile while AD always benefits from it even if they run out of mana.