It's not the damage that makes him scary... I mean, yea that's broken too. I do believe building damage, someone should do damage, that's absolutely fair. But being a tank to begin with should mean lower base damage. But, like I said, its not the damage that makes him broken. It's the mixture. Generally, champions have weaknesses. Like, sona is absolutely annoying, but she is easily blown up. For her to make any real "offensive" impact, she has to put herself relatively close to other champions, and therefore there is some sort of risk reward. Zyra is same thing, very squishy and not a "huge" range on her abilities, so she has to think of when and where to use them. With Maokai, there is no such questions to ask yourself. Your super saplings can do about 50% of an adc's health with one damage item. And the speed the saplings travel is ridiculous, without boots, you aren't really getting away from one unless you kite it through your minions. which means... you are gonna be pushed under your tower consistently. which also means more time to setup bushes with more saplings. Sure I guess a gank could work. But if a gank is literally the only counter to a champion I'd say that's a little messed up. When I think of other tanks, they have actual mechanics to performing. Sion has to hit a minion back into someone to slow them, then aim and charge an ability to stun them, and if he misses he can be punished. Braum has to be within adc auto range to get his slow off, and he has to aim it, if missed can be punished. Leona has to aim half of her abilities, 3/4 if you count her shield detonation positioning, and if those miss or don't finish the job, she can be easily punished. Maokai has the tankiness and engage of a leona, with the poke of a zyra. So a good portion of his damage cant even be traded, against a decent adc you will lose every 2v2 against them because maokai has more cc then 4 tanks put together, and the ability to zone you without even putting himself in a dangerous position. If he does decide its time to engage though. He has a snare the size of a lane, a targetted snare which can then be combod with a knockback into a slow. There isnt a single one of maokai's moves that doesnt cc. Add onto that the fact that he can put out insane amounts of damage. It's not balanced. Look at Lissandra for instance. She is even a MAGE not a tank, so it makes this even more relevant. Lissandra has a boatload of cc, therefore she has to have lower base damage on her abilities to make up for her utility. They figured that out real quick after that short period where she was OP. (tbh its sad it even had to happen in the first place i feel like this is common sense game design). Anyways I will just leave you with this http://champion.gg/champion/Maokai/Support clearly people are catching on to this trend. So before you downvote me, go downvote all these people exploiting the broken nature of the changes in most recent patch.