Change Qiyana's abilities to AP or adaptive

Shiroyashayami·Jun 10, 2019·3 votes·1,862 views

After having talk with players I still think that we don't need another AD champion in jungle, because we have too many of them already. There aren't many AP jng champions tho. It would benefit the role more if she was AP or adaptive. If you have any doubt, you can count ad jng champions and ap jng champions yourself. I won't tell you that you have to believe me but I will ask about your preferences (changing her damage output from ad damage to ap or adaptive should be an easy task for a HUGE company like Riot and even for a really small indie company, there isn't much coding needed to change it). Please be sincere.

32 Comments

iiGazeiiJun 10, 20196 votes

She isn't a jungler, why does everybody think she's a jungler?

She has no waveclear and no sustain. Riot had said that she is a solo laner. She has mobility, damage, and ranged CC, so she's gonna be a roaming midlaner, not a jungler, ever.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

She is a jungler. That is why everybody thinks that she is a junger. She cannot be a laner without waveclear and sustain, just like you said. She has mobility, damage, ranged cc. She is perfect for jungle. Also her abilities are good for ganks and for clearing jungle camps but not for killing minions. You literally said yourself all the reasons why she cannot be a laner. Even if she is pushed to be a laner, she will end up in jungle. She is literally perfect for jungle and I already have an idea for a clear path for her.

FOR JUSTICEJun 10, 20194 votes

he literally just told you riot said she is going to be a sololaner. also no wave clear and sustain is big in the jungle.

she might jungle, but everyone tries a new champ jungle just cause. take release pyke, zoe, irelia, camille.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Have you seen her abilities? How is she good in lane? Her kit is garbage for laning but if we look at her in jungle then she might be viable.

GaliöJun 10, 20193 votes

They said..like 5 times now. She is an AD solo lane assassin.

That's why I was teasing with the Zed comment... who is also an AD solo lane assassin... but she is prob closer to Talon with the poke and dash mechanics.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

What they say is always bullshit. Didn't you play for a long time? I did as well. They are almost never right about their champions and then they push them to the position that they want them to be in. She will be a jungler. Then they will try to push her top lane. Don't know if that will work, but they do it everytime with every champion. Just look at her Q. Its a fucking aoe. Her E can get her through walls to another camp. Her w can be utilized better in jungle. Her R is generic but still useful for ganks. Her ganks are easy to pull off. The only thing to watch for is her clear, which can be polished. I mean, i can pull off Katarina jungle, so why not her. I can win with Anivia jng in platinum, first try. Qiyana's abilities look so fun for jungle, that I can't even see her not being there.

GaliöJun 10, 20194 votes

So like... talon is a jungler too then right?

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

He was played in jungle. Yes. You can try him. He is not bad in jng. The same goes to Zed. Its not like you can't get some sustain from runes and clear with some items and still oneshot people like many champions do.

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 10, 20193 votes

Talon is played jungle so much that op.gg has.. no winrate stat for it, because nobody plays it.

LoLAnalytics has.. nothing. Big surprise.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Yet you can grab him now and it will work out well. There is an AP Shaco jng main in master, while Ap Shaco in jungle is garbage. Stats like that prove nothing. Also sustain, waveclear and so on can be easily manipulated through items and runes. If her kit was bad for jungle, it would be a problem, but its great.

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 10, 20191 votes

Let me know when you get out of low elo playing it, if it is so easy. Should be funny to see your match history after the attempt, at least.

Stats like that prove nothing.

Proves nobody plays it. Not even a single one-trick to give it some inflated stats.

waveclear and so on can be easily manipulated through items and runes.

It cant be, to any significant degree. Also not relevant.

HAHAHAHA. Yea sure. Like runes don't exist and jungle item can't be built. Also you have smite.

The other jungler can build those as well, you know. They still come out ahead in clear speed and sustain. That sort of tactic hinges on the other team having a trash jungler, which is completely luck-based and only viable in low ELO.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Waste of time. You will see.

Eternal TormentJun 10, 20195 votes

She is a bad jungler. The thing you say are her supposed strong points in jungle only further valuate her weakness. She relies heavily on mobility and setup and combined with ranged CC, it means she needs to get ahead FAR if she ever jungles. Bad clear means slow jungle progress which means slacking ganks. Lack of sustain means you need to back a lot which means slow clear which means slacking ganks, again.

Point is, if she can't clear the jungle she's not good in it because she is going to fall behind on ganking so much you might as well AFK duel gromp for 10 minutes in.

Junglers that can't clear are bad junglers. Period.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Junglers that can't clear are bad junglers

In this meta? Not before the nerfs? I mean, we literally don't even farm. And I don't think that her clear is worse than Shaco's. She will get a tiamat as well and be ok. Or maybe she will just need a jng item. Who knows. I can't see her being worse than Katarina jungle and I had perfect cs with her. Period. Also sustain ... like, many junglers don't have that and relay on jng item and runes for that. Did you just forget that runes exist?

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 10, 20191 votes

She cannot be a ~~laner~~ jungler without waveclear and sustain

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

HAHAHAHA. Yea sure. Like runes don't exist and jungle item can't be built. Also you have smite.

Super GalaxyJun 10, 20195 votes

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ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

They might think that she is a laner, but .... have you seen her kit? Its a jungler and a good one. She will be fun to play there. If ad, with tiamat, if ap with a jungle item. I don't think her kit is even remotelly ok for laning. And it would be good to break a stereotype of arrogant ad assassins by having an arrogant ap assassin, but whatever.

GaliöJun 10, 20194 votes

Idk I think Zed should be AP cause he is a jungler too

Doesnt make sense to have a jungler scale off AD... too many already.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20192 votes

I know you are not serious so ... fuck Zed ... but still, there aren't many ad mid laner, so he is a good addition .... still ... I hate him. It is not gender politics to be bullshit. In a game balancing things out is important and 50/50 is desireable. In a workplace, the best person for a job is desireable. Its different (if you are reffering to that).

boricCentaur1Jun 10, 20194 votes

We don't need more ap champions after the amount we just got.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20192 votes

We do in jng. We don't in mid and support.

SukishooJun 10, 20193 votes

AD champion in jungle

Sorry buy she's a Solo laner. She has no way to effectively clear jungle fast enough to make her even viable there.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20192 votes

Yes she has. Tiamat and runes and jungle items exist. Even Anivia and Katarina can effectively clear jungle. Shaco is a jungler and his clear sucks. The same for many other champions. There is always a way to play some champion in jng and make that champion clear effectively. And her kit is almost like designed to be a jungler.

SukishooJun 10, 20194 votes

saw that coming lel.

Tiamat doesn't not make an effective early game cause you have to build up to it.

Shaco was made for jungle and is great at it, his boxes do most of the work if you know how to use him.

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

In her case even jungle item alone will be good enough. The only obstacle is sustain, which can be supported by runes.

Timethief49Jun 10, 20191 votes

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saw that coming lel.

Tiamat doesn't not make an effective early game cause you have to build up to it.

Shaco was made for jungle and is great at it, his boxes do most of the work if you know how to use him.

Love myself some kassadin jungle thanks to the power of tiamat.

Aphelios is OPJun 10, 20192 votes

can't item 3152 stop summoner 4 dashing item 3070

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

Go AP xd

ShiroyashayamiJun 10, 20191 votes

I will also vote because I would like her to be the first champion able to build both ad and ap and I know that will not happen xd Also the title should be more polite but I suck at writing things.

FOR JUSTICEJun 10, 20193 votes

Kaisa Ezreal Tryndamere all kinda get away with that tbh.